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Hydraulic parking brakes

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Paul (QC)

11-22-2002 17:16:53




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Say you wanted to convert a cable-actuated parking brake
on a machine with a hydrostatic transmission to hydraulic actuation.

Is it possible to do this (hydraulically speaking) with a
open control valve system ? I understand there's no pressure
in the system until the flow is blocked off somewhere so I
can't see how you could have a cylinder that would pull on
the parking brake when the system is running and let go when the system was turned off (ie act like an electric solenoid).

Do you have to use a closed control valve system to do this or is there another way ?

Thanks,

Paul

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Tim

11-24-2002 17:11:25




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 Re: Hydraulic parking brakes in reply to Paul (QC), 11-22-2002 17:16:53  
The motor home with allison automatic transmissions have a automatic parking brake that is hydraulic released and spring applied. This system can be found on GM Chassis.



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gatractorman

11-23-2002 02:55:08




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 Re: Hydraulic parking brakes in reply to Paul (QC), 11-22-2002 17:16:53  
LOL, whats wrong with the cable????? You can do it a couple different ways, if you have a bank on the valve thats not being used tie your cylinder into it, or if possible add a bank to the valve, or you can get an electrically controlled valve to control the cylinder, to use one of these you have to have what I call "power beyond" capabilities off your control valve, anyway the jist of it is the valve has to be able to supply pressure out a port on the end of the valve to work a separate valve then of course you have to be able to actuate the valve be it mechanical or electric and you must set it with the machine running so it has hyd. pressure to operate the valve if you want something that will set and release automatically when machine is started or shut off that gets tricky with electric valves and nitrogen charged tanks. Personally I would use the cable.

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geok

11-25-2002 20:12:30




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic parking brakes in reply to gatractorman, 11-23-2002 02:55:08  
Could you do the reverse, build a spring loaded parking brake that the spring tension locks the brake then use a small cylinder to pull against the spring to release the brake? Just a thought.



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Paul (QC)

11-26-2002 03:28:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic parking brakes in reply to geok, 11-25-2002 20:12:30  

This would be exactly what I was thinking about except that I don't see a way that the cylinder can be released automatically on pressure loss.

I've been wondering just what is meant by "loss of pressure". In an open center control valve system there isn't any pressure to lose that could trigger the cylinder release. I saw a mention of hooking into the charge pump on the drive pumps but again, is there any pressure there to measure if the system is in neutral ?

Also, am I correct in thinking that the likelyhood of a hydraulic failure (other than the engine konking out) is pretty slim ? Those are some pretty hefty parts and hoses down there, not like the loader circuits.

As to what's wrong with the cable in the first place, well it depends on my operating the parking brake in a timely fashion. I believe that the faster a problem is detected and the brakes applied, the safer the outcome of the situation. I'm afraid I'd get stuck in a "what's the ... ?" frame of mind while the machine started rolling down towards the dropoff...

I'd also prefer to have the seat bar down so I can hang on to it while I roll. It seems pretty silly to me that it's referred to as a safety device, but you have to remove it in an emergency situation !

All new skidsteers seem to have this feature, so the idea mustn't be that crazy. Wish I knew how they do it.

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