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Russ

02-15-2000 06:16:56




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This is a followup question to one I posted a month ago. I'm considering a JD 40 with rebuilt engine. The tracks have been completely rebuilt with new parts; pads, rollers, sprockets, pins, etc.. I'm convinced it is in great condition. The owner is holding firm at $6,000 claiming he spent $5000 to rebuild it. Is his price appropriate? If I wanted to sell it in a year, would I take a huge loss?

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Todd W

02-15-2000 15:01:36




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 Re: J.D. 40C in reply to Russ, 02-15-2000 06:16:56  
I have been rebuilding a 40c for the last year and according to my jd dealer the only new undercarrige parts that are available are th pins, bushings,roller bushings,masterlink,and rails. Im not saying anyone is lying but I would take a close look at the pads rollers and sprockets. If they are new I would like some for mine.



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Russ

02-16-2000 06:11:05




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 Re: Re: J.D. 40C in reply to Todd W, 02-15-2000 15:01:36  
Todd, I looked at the pads, etc. and they sure look new. They are unpainted and have that new metal look. He told me who he got his parts from but I wasn't familiar with the place. If I purchase it, I'll get that information for you. The owner is retired and used it to landscape a huge yard. He ran dozers for a living, appears very honest and doesn't have much use for it any longer. What is your opinion of the price?

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Todd

02-16-2000 19:02:10




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 Re: Re: Re: J.D. 40C in reply to Russ, 02-16-2000 06:11:05  
Hi Russ, The price sounds fair for one in that condition.
A new set of pins and bushings is about $960 installed. New rails were quoted at my local JD dealer for $14,000. used sprockets are $200 each.
I just sold a used set of pads for $500. rollers are $150 used each...ten on the crawler equals $1500. I would not take less than $4000 for mine....you add all of this up and you get $21,360
I know its not worth this but you get the idea. You could not get one in this condition yourself for his asking price. I would buy it and enjoy it.
Good luck

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Jim

02-17-2000 20:37:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: J.D. 40C in reply to Todd, 02-16-2000 19:02:10  
I just sold a 420C with 1075 hours on it and tracks like new for $5000. It also had after market orchard fenders, bumper. belly pan, power take off, and most of a 3 point. It looks like I might have been a little cheap.



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steamer

02-15-2000 14:16:54




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 Re: J.D. 40C in reply to Russ, 02-15-2000 06:16:56  
Sounds reasonable to me. That price of $5,000 is actually low, so I surmise the owner performed a lot work to save on labor costs. If the 40c has a heavy digging blade on it, and I needed one, I'd pay $6,000 for it.

These machines are quite useful, and getting rather hard to find, even in bad shape. What else are you going to find at $6,000 that's been rebuilt?

As far as selling it in a year, you'll have to wait for someone to come along that needs a small bulldozer. If you held out, as the current owner is doing, you'd get most of that price back.

For what it's worth: I turned down a lot more money for the 420c that was my dad's after he passed on. I had a real offer from a JD dealer and collector for mine at just over three times what the 40c you're looking at is priced at. This one has nearly all the options on it (no 3-pt) and was very well maintained. Our undercarraige and tracks were rebuilt as well. The only thing wrong with it is that it still sports its' original paint, and even though it was kept in the barn most of the time, she looks like an old machine.

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Russ

02-16-2000 06:33:32




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 Re: Re: J.D. 40C in reply to steamer, 02-15-2000 14:16:54  
Steamer,
Thanks for your reply. The owner did rebuild this himself. He was in road construction for years, retired and built a new home. He used this 40c to excavate a huge yard. When he finished he rebuilt it but doesn't have much use for it now. He's really a likeable guy who appears honest. He said if he can get his money back he will sell, otherwise he will keep it as a toy to play with.

My reason for buying it is much the same. I have 60 acres that I want to build some 4-wheeler trails for my family to ride on. It was clear cut 12 years ago so this machine will handle the size trees I need to remove. I've cut a lot of the trails but the ground is too uneven to be safe for my children and grandchildren. I'm retiring in three years so this might be a fun toy to play with. I was raised on a farm and have had tractors but never a crawler. After driving this one I felt it was a lot of machine for the money. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it.

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steamer

02-16-2000 12:55:35




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 Re: Re: Re: J.D. 40C in reply to Russ, 02-16-2000 06:33:32  
You'll find that with 60 acres, you'll not want to part with it. These things are just too handy to have around. The 420c I have was my dad's, but he got it in 1964 when the farmer who bought it originally (to clean out barns) traded it in for a wheel tractor w/loader.

I was born in 1961, so I grew up on our 36 acres of mountain with the 420 simply a part of life. I learned to operate the crawler several years before we got a 40s wheel tractor. There's no end of jobs for a crawler/dozer. Want to get a tree for firewood? Need to make a road? Want to change a grade? Gotta plow snow? No problem!

Later, in 1990, when my dad retired, he moved farther North into the Adirondacks and took the 420 with him. I stayed on the mountain where I grew up and got a Ford 1720 tractor/loader. After that first winter, I decided I needed a crawler/dozer of my own. I picked up a 1968 JD350 from a dealer I knew. They'd rebuilt the U/C, on it, but the owner got in financial trouble and couldn't pay for the work. They wound up owning it, and sold it to me for $9,000 (which wasn't a bad price at all).

I used the JD350 until I had to move to NC for work reasons in 1994. At that time, I sold off all my tractor equipment, except for an old JD 'M' (pictured in my YT Tractor Town page) that I couldn't bear to part with (the rebuilding of that tractor is a long story). When dad passed on in 1996, I brought the 420 down. There were far too many interested parties in it, and I became concerned that it would disappear one day. It might take my mom a week to notice it was gone.....

Now, having had both the 420 and the 350, I can tell you that the 420 is actually more useful. The 350 can push more, and it had a larger blade on it. However, it is clumsy in the woods between the trees. The 420 is much more nimble out there. It also doesn't make nearly the mess when working that the 350 did. That makes for easier cleanup with the tractor later. Of course, the 350 can do a job more quickly than the 420, but we're not on a time clock with our jobs.

Some things to keep in mind with a crawler over a tractor. One is that you're on the end of a whip, so steer slowly. Crawlers turn different from tractors, and you'll understand this as you use the machine. Another is to drink lots of water when using a crawler. The seat cushion is all you get here. No tires. The vibrations stimulate your kidneys like crazy! And if you go a lot, you'd best drink a lot.... Finally, when heading up a sizable slope, do it in reverse with the blade kept as low to the ground as you can. They can flip if the blade is uphill, but if it's downhill the blade hits the ground and saves you from some possible trouble.....

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Bret

02-25-2000 21:48:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: J.D. 40C in reply to steamer, 02-16-2000 12:55:35  
I bought a trashed 40C for $500., bought most of another for $300., traded the old shot 40 tracks for a set of used 350 tracks a guy was going to use as a float plane anchor, used 450 rolls(obviously I had to put side rails on), and fitted sealed roller bearing to the idlers. The parts machine had a 3 point off a 420 and good sheet metal, belly pan and factory brush guard, fenders, etc. I still have to reline the steering brake bands and re bush the tracks, but after 8 years it sure works good! Steamer I grew up in North Creek, where did your Dad move to?

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