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richard

01-01-2003 15:05:53




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A elder genetlman told me if you were going to leave a machine with dry steering clutchs set for along period of time you should tie the leavers back i would think this would be hard on the clutch springs.what do you thank guys.




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jerry gerthofer

01-02-2003 16:06:25




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 Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to richard, 01-01-2003 15:05:53  
NO THAT IS NO GOOD FOR THEM WHAT SO EVER..... ....



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bob

01-02-2003 14:24:09




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 Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to richard, 01-01-2003 15:05:53  
my dozer sat for 3 yrs once & didnt lock up clutches.



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gatractorman

01-02-2003 03:38:09




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 Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to richard, 01-01-2003 15:05:53  
Theres alot of talk over on the N-board about blocking down the clutch pedal on an old tractor when storing, same basic idea as what your asking about and I guess it works never saw a post to the contrary but the similarities only go so far, it depends on the machine but alot of them when you pull the lever yes you release the clutch pack but you also apply the brake and the brake band will grow to the drum just the same as the clutches stick together, you could go in and loosen the band to where it wont engage or my advice would be to run it say 30 minutes every week and you wont have to worry with all this, besides it'll be a good excuse to get out of the house.

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Bob /Ont.

01-02-2003 08:56:37




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 Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to gatractorman, 01-02-2003 03:38:09  
Tractorman, I think the trouble the N guys are having is caused by the Asbestos Free clutch plates. This seems to be more of a modern problem to me.
Later Bob



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Wayne

01-02-2003 00:09:44




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 Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to richard, 01-01-2003 15:05:53  
Been working on heavy equipment for most of my life and have never heard this before. I guess the first question would be what do you consider 'a long period of time', just a season, or years ? I do know that for any type of equipment setting for long periods of time is the worst thing that can happen to all the systems, fluid or dry, because of condensation buildup in the enclosed spaces. We just repaired a CAT excavator that set for 6 months with a dry hydraulic system and had to remove and polish every spool, in every valve, on the machine...but that's another story. Anyway, the main thing that will happen with the steering clutches wether they are tied back or not, is that any moisture buildup will eventually result in rust on the clutch faces. This rust will cause the metal discs to bond to the fiber coated discs, so even releasing the tension on them won't let them slip like they are supposed to. Problem is as highly polished at the clutch faces get, it doesn't take much to rust them up pretty good. Personally I can't see where tying back the levers will accomplish anything but leaving a few thousands more gap between the discs, because just pulling the leaver back doesn't actually spread them, all it does is release the tension on them enough so they will slip. Either way moisture is gonna get between the discs eventually and cause rust. Too if you do pull the release collar back and release tension on the clutches, and the collar rusts to the shaft, or whatever, in the released position, when you go to put the machine back into service your possibly looking at big problems getting the collar to slide back into the engaged position. If it's stuck to the point that the springs alone won't engage it, your most likely looking at a teardown to free it up. If you leave the clutch engaged though, when you get ready to run the machine again, the possibility of just pulling the lever to break the collar free, if it should happen to be stuck, is a whole lot greater. If the collar can be greased, and is, then this shouldn't be a problem, but I have seen it happen. Either way though, if the discs are stuck to the point they won't slip, a teardown is gonna be your only choice. We have an old 440C JD dozer and even the way it operates with the ball/cam type release, this type of problem can happen, as ours was stuck when it was given to us. If your talking about a really long time in storage, I'd find a place to put it inside, but if that's not possible, and you have to cover it with a tarp, etc, just make sure to leave a good air space around the machine. Too little airflow will basically insulate the machine and the resulting temp difference between the machine and the outside air will cause condensation on the inside and outside of the machine, just like on a cup of ice water on a hot day. If the clutch compartment has a drain plug, I'd replace it with some type of breather plug because the housing is less likely to buildup moisture inside if it can breath than if it's sealed tight. Like I tell my customers when they have a question, that's just my opinion, and I know there are alot of them out there, but final decision is up to you. I know I tend to get long winded with responses, but I hope this helps. Wayne

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Bob /Ont.

01-02-2003 09:33:29




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 Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to Wayne, 01-02-2003 00:09:44  
That excavator would have been fun Wayne. Did one last summer that some one started building out of 3 different ones and had layed around apart for 2 or 3 years. I was wondering if they would be satisfied when I got it running. Turned out that everyone wanted to run it,scarry thought eh.
Later Bob



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Wayne

01-02-2003 22:03:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to Bob /Ont., 01-02-2003 09:33:29  
Hey Bob, your right, that 235 CAT was a whole lot of fun,itm took almost 3 days, and a big hammer, a brass punch, and alot of emory cloth to get it squared away. Thing is, the only reason for the problem was the guy blew a line to one of the track drive motors. He just moved on to another one of his machines and it set....blown line being the low point, and the tank being sealed and building pressure, you know where all the oil went. All I can say is it turned into one heck of an expensive hose.

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Bob /Ont.

01-04-2003 18:35:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to Wayne, 01-02-2003 22:03:55  
Wayne, that was a lot of work for just a blown hose, don't feel so bad about the one I had with lines off the valve for years, they all moved free but one. The 225 I am talking about started out as fire dammage. They got a 227 Logger upper structure and a newer engine. We made a real hybred out of it but it worked.
Later Bob



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Captn.n/e,Mo.

01-02-2003 12:57:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to Bob /Ont., 01-02-2003 09:33:29  
The last dry steering clutches I put in, I coated the friction disks with a little deisel fuel in the hopes that it would keep back the rust. It did not make them slip. I figured it would be like the oiling of a clock ,not the oil itself but the vapor of the oil,works on a clock why not steering clutches?



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Bob /Ont.

01-02-2003 15:15:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to Captn.n/e,Mo., 01-02-2003 12:57:59  
Good timing Chris:<) I have never seen clutches freeze up but a lot of people talk about it. I think in machines that have sat for years.
Later Bob



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Bob /Ont.

01-01-2003 23:23:39




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 Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to richard, 01-01-2003 15:05:53  
It's the lesser of two evils. Dry clutch plates will stick together due to rust etc. over time if the machine is not used occasionally. If the machine will run, start it and move and steer it once in a while. If the clutches get stuck bad you might have to pull them out and take them apart to free them up. Later Bob



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richard

01-02-2003 17:37:28




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 Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to Bob /Ont., 01-01-2003 23:23:39  
Thank guys for all of your commets i thank the best thing would be to run it ever month or so.



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Tim

01-09-2003 19:21:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Dry steering clutchs in reply to richard, 01-02-2003 17:37:28  
I think you are right. I just had to pull the clutches on an old TD 15-150. It had set for about 5 years. I had to dig the fibers out with a screwdriver and hammer, and sandblast the steel discs out of the drum. Since I have had it running I just try to make it a point to run it about once a month to keep things freed up.



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