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Ryan Carlson

01-26-2003 10:43:00




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Not sure if anyone out there can help me - but any information is appreciated, and if not perhaps you could give me a website that might help. Here is my problem:I have a question concerning a 3406 B model cat. engine - did a complete inframe overhaul, this was done because it was pressuring up the radiator we suspected a liner or a head. But after completion of overhaul, the problem of pressuring up the radiator persists. The motor was torn down again, a different head put in. After start up of engine, pressure immediately began to build. We isolated the compressor, still built pressure. Plugged the weep hole in the water pump, still pressured. We are out of ideas as to what the problem may be. This engine is in a 1989 Peterbilt. If you have any suggestions, or know of a website that could be of help, I would really appreciate your help. Thanks.

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george md

01-27-2003 18:47:00




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 Re: caterpillar enginers in reply to Ryan Carlson, 01-26-2003 10:43:00  
Ryan, Had a 3406 in for same problem , first time it was the orings in the intercooler where the water feeds thru to the element. It kept putting to turbo boost into the cooling sys. second time,it turned out to be a split sleeve, maybe caused by the leaking intercooler orings putting water in the cyl. Cats other disease is the deck under the sleeves in a deck plate engine or the counter bore , if it erodes then the sleeve is not supported well enough and the gasket leaks . happen to all cylinders , but many times it is #6 cyl .

george

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Bob/Ont

01-26-2003 17:49:58




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 Re: caterpillar enginers in reply to Ryan Carlson, 01-26-2003 10:43:00  
Ryan, I have heard of the shutter control letting air pressure into the cooling system. Take the air hoses off of it if there is one on your truck.
I could tell you more if I saw your engine when you took the head off of it though.
Later Bob



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Shovelman

01-26-2003 17:09:57




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 Re: caterpillar enginers in reply to Ryan Carlson, 01-26-2003 10:43:00  
Ryan,

You may want to do a combustion leak test to confirm that it is combustion gasses that are making the pressure.

Balkamp makes a test kit that will show if combustion gasses are present in the cooling system. It will help you narrow things down in a situation like this. The part number of the test kit is 700-1006 and should be available at any NAPA store.

It is an inexpensive tool and it is a simple test to perform. I have found it to be very accurate and a great time saver.

You did not mention if you used OEM or aftermarket parts in the rebuild. I sometimes wonder about the QC standards used by some of the aftermarket suppliers, and I always check aftermarket parts over very carefully before I use them.

Did you check things like liner protrusion carefully? Was the deck and head checked for straightness?

If you determine it is the head, look into an OEM Cat reman. I have had good luck with their parts, and for a while, they were seeding their reman head program with brand new castings. We were getting brand new heads at reman prices.

Another site to check is www.acmoc.org A great Cat site with tons of info.

Good Luck!
Scott

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ScottL

01-27-2003 11:29:20




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 Re: Re: caterpillar enginers in reply to Shovelman, 01-26-2003 17:09:57  
ACMOC has a new address.. Link

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Steve

01-26-2003 11:57:27




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 Re: caterpillar enginers in reply to Ryan Carlson, 01-26-2003 10:43:00  
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Does the engine run on all 6 cylinders? Did you disconnect the compressor at the outlet? No chance of having an air line connected to the cooling system is there? Check the following carefully. Injector sleeves for leaking o-rings and or cracks. Cylinder head cracked around injector areas or internally. Cracked sleeve. Cracked counterbore. Wrong head gasket. Don't assume that because you tried a different head, that can't be the problem. You may have overlooked a crack somewhere. That semms to be the most likley thing. i had a similar situation on a 4 cyl. Deere engine. Oil in the water but no water in the oil. Turned out to be a crack in the block. I was only able to find it after steam cleaning and searching with a magnifying glass and a little heat from a torch.

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Shoe

01-26-2003 20:41:48




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 Re: Re: caterpillar enginers in reply to Steve , 01-26-2003 11:57:27  
I am more inclined to think like steve, I would
just about bet that even though you replaced
liner and seales, you either have a bad liner
o ring or a slight crack in a liner, forcing pressure into the water jacket, I have experienced
this situation on engines before, some of the
same symptoms as you are describing occured.
Guess you won't know until it's torn down again.
Hope I'm wrong for your sake, hope it's something
real simple that has been over looked. Good luck.

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