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Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader?

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Jeff Would lik

01-29-2003 19:38:41




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Thinking about putting one on my John deere crawler loader, any problems is it hard to hook up, any comments appreciated!!




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farmer jones

02-04-2003 18:30:38




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 Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to Jeff Would like to have a backhoe., 01-29-2003 19:38:41  
I got a 450 C john deere with a john deere 9300 hoe. It will change the balance of your crawler but you get used to it or take it off when using the front bucket. I don't think I would try a hoe on a dozer although I have seen this also. with the loader I often pick up a bucket of dirt to better balance the machine. Very easy to remove or attach about 5 min. with tapered pins and quick snaps and couplers. I MIGHT sell my complete hoe but would need another rops, good luck

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Bob

05-01-2004 09:05:19




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 Re: Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a craw in reply to farmer jones, 02-04-2003 18:30:38  
i am looking for a 9300 backhoe. how much do you want for it?



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Jim Tillson

02-02-2003 04:45:39




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 Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to Jeff Would like to have a backhoe., 01-29-2003 19:38:41  
Jeff, I have a J.D. backhoe saddle,I think it's for a 350,e-mail if interested, I'm in CT.,thanks, Jim.



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marlowe

01-30-2003 15:30:36




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 Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to Jeff Would like to have a backhoe., 01-29-2003 19:38:41  
i have a 450 case with a JD hoe on it can put on and take off in 5 minn just two pins and two hoses works great other then the JD hoe. real heavy on the rear so you will want to remove it with ease



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Shovelman

01-30-2003 06:27:32




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 Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to Jeff Would like to have a backhoe., 01-29-2003 19:38:41  
Jeff,

I rigged up a backhoe on my Oliver OC-46 crawler loader and I use it quite often. It is a very handy tool to have around.

I agree with gatractorman, you would want it to be easily removable. Most backhoe attachments are heavy and bulky, and you probably would want to take it off if it wasn't needed.

I set mine up with a 2 position selector valve and quick-disconnects on the hoses to divert flow to the hoe when needed. It has a 2 point hitch arrangement that enables me to put the hoe on in less than a minute.

A couple of considerations:

Confirm pump capacity. Most loaders have enough flow to supply a backhoe, but you may still want to check it. My hoe is fairly small, and it works OK with the 15 GPM the pump puts out. If the hoe was any larger, it would need a 20-plus GPM pump.

Be sure the hydraulic systems on the tractor and hoe are compatable. If you have an open-center system on the tractor, you should have open-center valving on the hoe.

If you install a selector valve in your existing system, be sure the main relief valve is located where it will protect the system in all conditions.

My tractor has an open-center system. Since the selector valve is between the pump and the main valve bank for the loader (where the main relief valve is located), the potential is there to dead-head (and explode) the pump in the event that the selector valve is set to flow oil to the backhoe and the hoses to the hoe are disconnected. To correct this, I installed an inexpensive adjustable relief valve at the selector valve and set this relief valve to open at about 300 psi over the main system pressure.

If you end up fabricating mounting brackets, be sure to make them beefy. A backhoe can put tremendous strains on the brackets and for that matter, the whole tractor.

Good luck!

Scott

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jeff

01-30-2003 05:21:41




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 Re: Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to CRAWLER HEAVEN, 01-30-2003 03:58:09  
Its for a 450c and I dont have a special rop or brackets for it.



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gatractorman

01-30-2003 02:46:58




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 Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to Jeff Would like to have a backhoe., 01-29-2003 19:38:41  
Yep... there in the way all the time, there not hard to hook up, plug up your lines and use the hoe hydraulics to attach it to loader. Mabye your area isn't as brushy as mine if I had one it would only be on when I had a job for the hoe. Remember when coupling or un-coupling backhoe hoses turn engine off and relieve hyd. pressure and when the hoe is not on the tractor couple the two lines from machine together.

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gatractorman

01-30-2003 03:00:46




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 Re: Re: Any comments on having a backhoe on a crawler loader? in reply to gatractorman, 01-30-2003 02:46:58  
Forgot to add you will need special brackets bolted to your loader if there not already on it, also a special ROPS unit.



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