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A dood dozer to start out on

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jimmy

02-12-2003 23:03:04




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My son did not want to go to college said he wanted to start his owen excavating buisness so i told him i would buy his first dozer and truck. just wanting to get a little information on what would be a good starter machine. Looking to get somthing around the 70 to 80 horse power and spend around 25000 on the dozer.would it be better to get somthing with a six way blade or get a high lift with a 4 and 1 buckett.also was wondering if any one new how much weight you could pull on a trailor with a single axle dump truck that had a gvw weight of 26000 with 5 and 2speed in it.And one other thing when they talk about the under caraige of a dozer what all does the undercariage consist of. I would apreciate any information and your thoughts.

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D6Joe

02-16-2003 16:46:09




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 Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to jimmy, 02-12-2003 23:03:04  
One thing to remember is that some folks out there do not feel the need to pay the bill, or decide to pay only after much proding. If you go into business yourself, try to get some money down, some when half done, and rest on completion of jobs. You cannot always do this, but on a big job, your expenses seem to add up in a hury! I do some dirtwork for evening and weekend work, and good customers make it worthwile.

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Deas Plant

02-16-2003 04:19:57




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 Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to jimmy, 02-12-2003 23:03:04  
Hi, Jimmy. I agree with pretty much everything Dave Grubb said EXCEPT 4-in-1 buckets versus general purpose buckets on loaders. I wanna see him grade to 1/2 an inch (or less) up or down with a general purpose bucket with teeth on it. I am regularly cutting building sites to a 10-12 mm tolerance with a track loader with a 4-in-1 bucket.
On top of that, you can pick up objects with them, drag material back out of corners or away from drop-offs, spread material in VERY thin layers, strip grass in a similar fashion to an open-bowl scraper or pick up a bucket of soil in a similar way WITHOUT leaving a big heap of material where you finished picking it up.
The ONLY reason I would entertain a general purpose bucket would be if the machine was doing NOTHING but straight digging and loading work.
Dave is entitled to his opinion and I won't say he is WRONG. However, I will say that I have 40 years of arse-on-seat time that tells me I prefer a 4-in-1 bucket on a loader, track or wheeled, for almost every kind of job.
Happy hunting.
You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Jeff Pack

02-13-2003 13:24:22




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 Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to jimmy, 02-12-2003 23:03:04  
I recently did the same thing...

For 25k, you can get a pretty nice dozer.

I bought an Intl 5yd dump truck from
the state for 15k that is in immaculate shape.
A 12T older Miller tilt bed (2 axle) trailer
for 3300.

With any of my equipment (580, dozer(TD7), or
Excavator(Kobelco SK60Mk3), it wont go racing
up any hills, but will get me wherever I
wanna go.

To the plus side, the lighter weight 5yd can
get into smaller backyards, etc where 10ydr's
fear to tread. Downside is the obvious non
1/2 capacity, if you are hauling alot of dirt.

Personally, I'd get the dozer, not a loader.
If you need a loader, then get a nice Case 580.
You wont rip up the ground using it, like a track loader.

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Dave Grubb

02-13-2003 06:15:14




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 Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to jimmy, 02-12-2003 23:03:04  
Let me start by saying free advice is what you pay for it. ;)

I am assuming from your questions that neither you nor your son has any substantial experience. That leads me to my first suggestion and that is your son think about working for someone else to gain experience as well as to find out if it is really something he wants to do. There are also some good trade schools that would give him a start,

As for the selection of a machine I can’t give you specific advice since I know nothing about what he wants to do and what opportunities are available. I will give you some general thoughts.

If I were to have one track machine and using it to do general work it would be a loader not a dozer. I would not have 4 in 1 on it; they are neither fish nor foul. While they do some things well since they can grip (i.e.: demolition work) they are hindered by a lot of bad traits that make them less than desirable as a loader because of reduced capacity and dump angles; as a dozer they are pretty much a waste of time. You can do as well with a standard loader bucket for grading.

The truck will be pretty much useless overhead for a dozer operation but can have some value when used in conjunction with a loader.

As to the make of the machine, it depends on your area and support. If you need maintenance support or only parts are things that should be considered. My preference is Cat but if you have a good Komatsu or John Deere dealer close by then those are factors to consider.

As to the truck you should give consideration to use. If the truck can provide income, either on its own or in conjunction with a machine that might drive you toward a bigger truck than is needed to haul the machine. Single axle trucks have little value for real hauling.

The under carriage is the entire assembly of the tracks and frames. I would suggest you have someone that is knowledgeable look at and evaluate any machine you might be considering.

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frank

02-27-2003 08:27:41




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 Re: Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to Dave Grubb, 02-13-2003 06:15:14  
Don't work for the blacks.



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jimmy

02-14-2003 05:53:16




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 Re: Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to Dave Grubb, 02-13-2003 06:15:14  
Actualy me and my soon have a little experinece on operating he has been runnining some equipment for about a year . loader back hoe and log skider and we also have a little case 310 crawler we went throgh it from the ground up a year ago. we have used it to build a pond it took us a while put it is about 12' deep and it is holdinhg water so we done somthing right.We mainly use it to drag out tree tops to cut up for fire wood because we sell fire wood on the side so far this year we have sold about 150 loads. The little crawler does a good job for this because it is small and easy to manuver around in the woods.

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gatractorman

02-14-2003 01:39:24




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 Re: Re: a dood dozer to start out on in reply to Dave Grubb, 02-13-2003 06:15:14  
Excellent advice Dave.



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