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Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use?

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Gary

02-14-2003 09:14:51




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I am thinking of buying a truck to haul my fullsize TLB. I dont have a CDL therefore I may need to stick with a truck that has an auto tranny or can I operate a 5/2 speed truck without CDL?

Is a used 5 yard dump truck with diesel engine and auto tranny going to have enough power to tow my 7 ton backhoe plus trailer uphill and such?

What kind of tow vehicle would you recommend for a newbie that will only haul every now and again?

Gary

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Nat

02-15-2003 09:15:52




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
I am not speaking for the whole country, just here in NC.I have checked this pretty good and CDL means comercial. if you haul anything for your own use, (read not for comercial use), a CDL is not required, if for rent or for hire, or you work for someone else, it is a whole different game, I haul a trailer that has no rating stamped on it, and haul a 863 Bobcat,it and trailer weigh 11,000 lbs. NC law requires a class A endorcement on regular lic. truck and trailer weigh less than 26001lbs. A class B endorsement allows 56,000 in a straight truck,without CDL, if for your own use such as farm, but if you are for rent or hire a CDL is required so if over 26001 lbs, and doing comercial work a CDL is required, if trailer and truck are under 26001lbs, yet trailer is over 10000lbs, and doing comercial work a CDL is not required, but class A is required, man this post got long, hope it helps someone, but I'd still chack with the dept, of motor vech. anyway

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BE SAFE not sorry

02-15-2003 09:10:44




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
check online at some other site than antique tractors. there are many confusing ideas here. The cdl is a commercial drivers license. it is a national law administrated by the states. Why don't you go get a cdl and stop worrying, the cost about 40 dollars for 5 years no retest if you have a clean record, doesn't have anything to do with the transmittion. If my workers can't pass the cdl test I don't want them even if they never drive a truck. I sure don't want to meet someone on a narrow country road with 25,999 pounds of truck and trailer who maybe legal, but doesn't feel he can pass a very simple test, if you have to study to pass the test then maybe you need to study before driving the RIG.

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Gary

02-15-2003 02:55:26




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
CDL is federal and does not change from state to state. Any truck with a gross over 26,000 you need it. If it has air brakes you need the air brake endorsment. If you tow a trailer over 10,000 you need the combanation endorsment with it.
There is a lot more to it you can get in to intra state and inter state laws also. I need to check on some more the law is changing or did change for RV's and pickups. something about needing a combanation licence on the tow vehicle. and the trailer weight may have droped down two 7,000 This could make my licence for my pickup around $500. a year.
Gary

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Taylor lambert

02-14-2003 17:15:22




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
You can haul anything as long as its under 24 or 26000 pounds GVWR I haul my hoe behingd a 6 yard truck all over the state. As long as it doesnt have air brakes I think here you can have air brakes but must have a farm tag. I drive a friends boom truck with airbrakes and a farm tag.



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John R

02-14-2003 14:54:12




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
The need for a CDL is based on gross weight rating of the vehicle {GVWR} or the combined gross weight {CGVWR} rating of the vehicles. It has nothing to do with the licensed weight. for example if you have a one ton pickup rated for 10500lbs and a trailer rated for 14000lbs, the combined gross weight rating is 24500lbs. No CDL is required. Take the same truck and put a gooseneck trailer on it that is rated for 20000lbs and now you have a CGVWR of 30500lb. CDL is now needed. A lot of people get in trouble with this because they don't know CDL requirements are based on the rated weight of the trailer instead of the licensed or actual weight. In your case a 5 yard truck is going to weight appr 10-12k empty but may have a GWR of 22-28k. Add the weight rating of the trailer, and then you will know what license you need. The break-off point is 26000lbs. CGVWR. If you exceed that then you need a Class A CDL. Also if you drive any vehicle over a 10k rating you will need to have a medical card. When you get a CDL, then you also have to have drug testing. Isn't all of this wonderful? Whether the truck has a manual or automatic transmission has no bearing on your license. I questioned a State Trooper about this and this is the way it was explained to me. I needed to know so I could keep my employees legal.

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bcPA

02-15-2003 12:39:50




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 Re: Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to John R, 02-14-2003 14:54:12  
You were in error about pulling the 10500 lp trailer. Any truck pulling a trailer registered for 10001 pounds or more requires a cdl.



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Nat

02-14-2003 12:15:21




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
Gary, I'm pretty sure that anywhere you are in the USA you have to have a Class A endorsement to pull anything over 10,000 lbs on a trailer except an RV, not necessarlily(sp) a CDL



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chuck in Texas

02-14-2003 09:59:21




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 Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 09:14:51  
alot is going to depend where you live or do most of your hauling...check the GVW on truck you looking at and towing rating before you buy...i'd think a 5 yard truck would handle 14k easy enuff but its not the pullin ya gotta worry about...its stopping...good brakes are a must no matter what size truck...BTW...towing 'hoe with a load in truck prob wouldnt be a good idea.

some states allow quite a bit of weight without a CDL...check with your drivers license office on what you can drive with operators license.

good luck
chuck

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Gary

02-14-2003 10:34:00




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 Re: Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to chuck in Texas, 02-14-2003 09:59:21  
Looks like my state requires a CDL if the vehicles has a manufacturer's weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more. Is that empty weight or fully loaded weight?

Isnt a cdl also needed if the truck has a 5/2 speed tranny/rear end rather than an auto tranny?

Thanks for the input!



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chuck in Texas

02-14-2003 13:38:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Hauling a fullsize TLB, what to use? in reply to Gary, 02-14-2003 10:34:00  
that 26,001# is GVW or loaded weight...it'll prob be close but i think u should be under limit.
i dunno about your state but in texas with farm license plates we can haul 26,000 with reg drivers license and never heard anything bout tranny's and 2 speed rear.



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