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How to clean pond?

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Walter Lee Bake

04-08-2003 17:07:42




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I have a small pond about 75' long by 30' wide at widest point, maybe 2' deep at deepest point, average depth maybe 1'. No liner, no rock or wall around it. Can this be cleaned with dozer or backhoe? There seem to a lot of people at this web site who have experience and are willing to share it, so thought I would ask. Thanks for any imput. Walt




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Kelly

04-11-2003 19:22:26




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 Re: How to clean pond? in reply to Walter Lee Baker, 04-08-2003 17:07:42  
Walter, I would suggest using a small dragline for cleaning out your pond. We are not talking about much here, 75’ long and 30’ wide a small swing rig could clean that with no trouble at all, it could set on good ground (the bank) and reach across the whole pond and if not, could do it by walk around the edge excavation half of the width as it went and placing the material behind the machine. We are only talking about 417 cu. Yds (75’X30’=2,250.0 sq.ft. X 5’ deep (estimated.) =11,250.0 cu. Ft. / 27= 417.0 cu.yd. I am assuming that the pond is filled up with silt and some what solid as well as drained out, (and not soupy)

The dragline can slope the banks on the pond and pull down the piles of the waste material when he is done with the excavation as well.

The only things you may have to do is, have a small dozer to smooth down the banks so dragline will have a place to set, they can do this as well, but it would be faster with a small dozer. If the material is going to be soupy, more water than mud and material…. then you should increase your yardage and the estimated time to do the work.

Its hard to tell just what you have, but I have cleaned out several of these and I can tell you if you can stay on dry ground when cleaning them out you will be far ahead in cost, as well as time. Now all you need is to find a “Lose Line Skinner” with a rig. Also, you can do as some of the others have suggest, and that is get the agents to help with the cost. (stock pond)

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Jim in Michigan

04-11-2003 13:50:14




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 Re: How to clean pond? in reply to Walter Lee Baker, 04-08-2003 17:07:42  
My pond waters livestock here on the farm,,it is fed by run off in the spring and is roughly 60, 20 and was 6 feet deep,,,do to silt it has become about 3 feet water and 3 feet mud,,local guys say they can dig it out with their backhoe ,, he has a extendahoe and will be able to reach to the center from each side,, I plan on just pushing the mud out of the way with my lil crawler and leveling it out some along the banks I guess I could load it on my dumptruck and haul it , but I see no reason for it,,,Jim

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farmer jones

04-08-2003 19:19:06




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 Re: How to clean pond? in reply to Walter Lee Baker, 04-08-2003 17:07:42  
You should read the previous post on a swamp to pond. most of the responses are good except those who because they don't agree with the rules think that they can make their own. I am in the excavating business for past 30 years. It sounds as though your pond can be cleaned but I promise it will be a bigger job than you expect. estimate the amount of mud then double that then double that then since you are not experienced add some more now decide where to put it. a trackhoe or large track loader can do your job. a backhoe or dozer will have trouble getting rid of the mud.I used the rule of doubling the mud twice last summer and still didn't have enough room for the mud. Estimated a job at 4000 should have been 7000 you would think after many ponds,well..I should have known better.If you hire a contractor get a firm contract in writing as cleaning a pond is an easy way to get in trouble as a contractor or owner. I would get NRCS to assist as they will give advise on soil structure and potential for future leaks. I would rather build a new pond than clean an old one. Best of luck

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Walter L. Baker

04-09-2003 15:22:04




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 Re: Re: How to clean pond? in reply to farmer jones, 04-08-2003 19:19:06  
Farmer, Thanks for your suggestions. I did read the swamp posts, but my situation may be a little different, in that my pond is on a rolling mountain top meadow (no wet ground except the pond, itself). An all-weather spring feeds it. The pond used to be for cattle, but now is mostly for looks, so it doesn't have to be deep. If that changes any of your suggestions, please let me know. Walt

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farmer jones

04-10-2003 18:38:51




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 Re: Re: Re: How to clean pond? in reply to Walter L. Baker, 04-09-2003 15:22:04  
Yes that does change things. Again it is hard to advise along way from the mountain, but a pond used for farming is looked at very differently than a swamp. I would think your big concern is that you will probably have more mud than you would think. you may not need a deep pond however any machine except a dragline or excavator will have to clean all the mud to a solid bottom in order to work. The local N.R.C.S may have cost share money for a livestock pond and they give free techinical advise, well worth checking on, remember to stress the livestock use of the pond. I didn't suggest a dragline before but that might be a good thing to consider. Then a dozer might smooth the mud later after it dries. Best of luck

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