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Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..please!!

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Barnz

07-02-2003 20:43:38




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Hello,
I am not sure if this is the right forum or not. But anyway, I am thinking about attending National Heavy Equipment Operators School in Orange Park Flordia. Have you ever heard about it? What have you heard about it(good, bad)? There website is www.earthmoverschool.com If you want to check it out. The tution is 7500 including the hotel for 6 weeks, books, and 1500 dollars for you to spend while you are down there. Just checking it out before I sign up. Oh, you also get your class A CDL. They teach how to run the Bobcat excatvator and the Bobcat,late model bulldozers,excavators, loader backhoes, and articulating loaders and I do believe graders, but are not sure.Also, transits, laser levels surveing sticks and the like. But, what do you all think? PLEASE!!!!!
Thanks,
Barnz

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ACPhil

07-06-2003 06:10:10




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
I couldn't agree more with everybody, that experience is the best teacher. One thing though, If this school is on the up-and-up, ask them for some names of students that have graduated from there. You could talk to these people and find out how they fared after the 6 weeks of schooling. Also ask for names of companies where the graduates were placed or went to work. There you could talk to management and ask them how these students fared in the real world of contruction. You could also try the trade unions and get in their apprentice programs. Good Luck, Phil

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bill young

12-30-2003 18:31:19




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 Re: Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners.. in reply to ACPhil, 07-06-2003 06:10:10  
looking for specs on ford a66 loader as well as repair manual



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Tim Chandler

07-05-2003 22:19:49




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
Barnz. Ive run equipement since 1969 started with my Grandads Old Case backhoe, went in Seabees in 73,currently operate D6RXL,D7H,623E,140G,966G and 826G. In my humble oppinion 6 weeks is a very short time to learn any skilled trade.As others have said and I will say again if a day goes by that I dont improve my skills its a wasted day. Theres no job like runnin the big stuff but 7500 clams is alot of cash. Id also suggest you start in the ditches, work to oiler or greaser and one day some one will not show up for work and boss will let ya have a crack at the seat job. Or try the US Navy Seabees, great outfit email me at whiskey2@brightok.net Later Tim

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Barnz

07-03-2003 21:00:16




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
Well, I have tried getting in. No one will hire me because I have no experience. So, I figured this would get my foot in the door. But, I guess not. Glad I researched this before doing anything about it. Now, to find someone that will hire me for more than summer, hopefully. And yes, I am willing to bust my A--, done it before and will do it again and as long as it takes. Thanks Alot,
Barnz



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Deas Plant.

07-04-2003 21:11:43




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 Re: Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners.. in reply to Barnz, 07-03-2003 21:00:16  
Hi, Barnz. I'm with Dave Grubb on this one. I was going to pass it by too, but came back.

I was probably more fortunate than most in that my father had a small 'dozer on the farm as did a neighbour. I got to work both quite a bit.

The farm was sold the year after I left school. My second employer had a farm and a Cat D4 which I learned some more on. Then I got all big-headed and started thinking that if I could operate a small 'dozer, I ought to be able to operate a bigger one. So I left the farm and was lucky enough to score a job with a comapny who had a REAL good foreman who was prepared to teach somebody who at least had the basics. One of the first things I learned was that, although I COULD also operate a bigger 'dozer, I still had an AWFUL lot to learn about actually doing the various jobs. I'm STILL learning 38+ years later.

THAT is what the operating schools CAN'T teach you because they don't have YOUR lifetime in which
to teach it. The University of Hard Knocks is the ONLY .edu that teaches that sort of stuff.

Start by operating a 'Mexican dragline' (HAND shovel) or 'Chinese Euclid' (wheelbarrow) and, after you've shown them that you're willing to work and have a go, ask if it would be possible to have somebody show you the ropes on one of the machines and get in a little practice in your lunch breaks. Some companies will -- some won't.

Rollers and water-carts are a good 'in' if there are any around because, although it IS possible to stuff up with either, especially a water-cart, there will usually be some-one around to either tell you what to do or that you can ask as both commonly work with graders, scrapers, etc..

Ask for information. It IS better to open your mouth and have the world suspect that you are ignorant than to keep your mouth shut and prove that you are ignorant -- and a dill for not asking. Most people in the game will share their experience. The ones who won't -- need I say any more.

You'd be amazed how much board and lodging that $7,500 will buy while you're getting some REAL on-the-job experience --- and also earning some dollars at the same time.

Feel free to drop me an e-mail if you want.

Best of luck, Mate.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Dave Grubb

07-04-2003 04:57:16




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 Re: Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners.. in reply to Barnz, 07-03-2003 21:00:16  
The machine most good operators first begin on is called a shovel.
Try to find someone that is open to advancement--but keep in mind that you are not worth operators pay the day you climb into the seat. Contractors doing "rate work" can ill afford to do training unless they have an apprentice program in place.



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Dave Grubb

07-03-2003 16:43:16




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
I passed this one by earlier--since I wasn't going to say anything any different than the others--but I had to come back.
Save your money son--start in the ditch.
Six weeks is a the blink of an eye--and you can't learn enough to make a difference.
My oldest son went for two years--he was a better operator when he went than he was when he came back :(
He did get some good mechanic training.

Not to mention that $7500 is a heap of cash for a six week course.

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Tim

07-03-2003 13:50:44




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
They will tell you that you will learn in 6 weeks but there is no way to learn enough in only 6 weeks to operate equipment correctly. I am still learning after 20 years. You may know the basics but most companies want experience not school papers.



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marlowe

07-03-2003 12:33:07




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
well first off save your money.i run my own exc.co for 34 years and i still don't know every thing your best bet is get a job with some exc. con.and start out pushing a shovel and work your way up. i had a gay that came out of the union school and wanted top buck and did't know SH--. to be a heavy equ.op. you have to learn it and you have to have a feal for it they can not teach that. you can not teach doing grade by feal or eye. just get a job and bust your a-- and your boss will move you up if your any good. and if your not you will still have your 7500 bucks. just the way it is like it or not you can not start at the top sorry

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kyhayman

07-02-2003 21:07:32




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 Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners..plea in reply to Barnz, 07-02-2003 20:43:38  
Never heard of it, not saying it is bad or good. I learned working for a golf course contractor and a paving company. Made good money and learned on the job. Had to start driving a shovel and packing pipe but didn't spend $7500 either.



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Barnz

07-03-2003 12:12:32




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 Re: Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owners.. in reply to kyhayman, 07-02-2003 21:07:32  
Ok thanks alot. Did you check out the website? Anyone else? I just dont want to blow 7500 on a school that isnt worth it.
thanks,
Barnz



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ZJ

07-03-2003 17:39:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Heavy Equipment Ops/Excavating Co owne in reply to Barnz, 07-03-2003 12:12:32  
Save your money. I went to one of these "schools" in the late 80's. About all you will really "learn" is very basic operation, i.e. moving the machine forward and backward maybe digging a few shallow holes, etc. As for getting a CDL A out of the deal, a few weeks behind the wheel won't make you a truck driver either. Send me an email I'll fill you in as someone who has "been there, done that"

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