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CAN IT BE DONE ?

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RC

04-19-2001 20:23:40




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HAS ANYONE, OR DOES ANYONE KNOW SOMEONE,THAT HAS PUT A DETROIT 6V71 IN A TD-14 ? I HAVE HEARD FROM EVERY SOURCE IVE TALKED TO THAT INTERNATIONALS MOTORS ARE NOT WORTH DIRT.I AM TOLD THE HEADS CRACK IF YOU LOOK AT THEM WRONG,IM JUST CURIOUS. THANKS A TON !!!!!PS. I KNOW YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU PUT YOUR MIND TO, BUT IS IT WORTH IT IN THIS SCENARIO ???




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rayman

06-10-2004 19:45:06




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 Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to RC, 04-19-2001 20:23:40  
yes it can be done, but unless for show why a 6V71???? a 4-71 N would do a better job and with higher -90 injectors you could keep the revs down and still have power. several gear sets are available for blower drive ratio changes. mainly for high altitude adjust and for turbo over blower applications. If the old IH is still going why change????? ? a hybrib is worth nothing in the end ///



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Mike

08-26-2002 12:01:59




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 Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to RC, 04-19-2001 20:23:40  
Ive run International alot and have never had a problem with there engines. They run strong, decent on fuel, maybe a little hard to start. Its only my opionin, but I would take one International over a dozen detroits. Cat, International, Cummins/ they will work. If you exceed there power capability they will buck and jump and lug down and do every thing they can to run. Ussally giving you time to correct the overload. Overload a detroit and it dies faster than if you shut it off.

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Big Jake

04-23-2001 09:25:42




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 Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to RC, 04-19-2001 20:23:40  
What you need to ask is can it be done economically feasable is it? not very!



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drott

04-20-2001 15:13:28




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 Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to RC, 04-19-2001 20:23:40  
The IH engines are not that bad. Got them have them and fixed them. Yes it is quite possible that the head could be cracked. Then on many 40-60 year old machines there are going to be problems. I have seen many an IH still running with cracked heads and have out lived Cats by a long shot.

The gas over diesel head, if treated right will last for years. We have 3 machines that have been in constant use for close to 60 years and they are just fine. It is like everything else, it is how you treat it. If you follow the directions those motors will keep on chuging for years. They are a relatively low RPM diesel at that. 1150 RPM was pretty much a common for most IH engines of that type.


As for Detroits, got them, have them and fixed them. No they do not need 2100 rpm to have any power. Detroits power can be adjusted in several ways. One is by bigger injectors, 70-120mm injectors, RPM was another way to boost power and the third was to tinker with the roots blower, on the 71 series you could go to the 4valve head design on the N series and get more power. The change on the timing from 1.99 to 2.xx on the roots blower is tricky and then adjust backward on the injector gear otherwise you would be really fouled up on the pump. You really want no more than 60 psi pressure to the injectors. There were some third party companies that made add-on compressor models so that the roots blower timing would not have to be changed. The latter was a bit more dicey since the engine is supposed to have a static air pressure of 7 lbs in the air box. You can boost it to about 13 lbs at max.

Higher RPMS, more power mean more wear and on the increased risk of breaking something.

As for Detroits, they are noisy and will leak oil in more places that you have gaskets. Just the nature of the beast. They are probably one of the leakiest engines I have ever seen and tend to be very cold blooded. Need ether to start them even in warm weather.

Do I like detroits, yep I do.

Each engine has their quirks and their postitive things.

Thanks

wk, drott@ibdozing.com

As for replaceing the TD14 motor with the Detoit, would not do it. Not work the conversion hassles.

The IH engine will be just fine.

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gr in ny

04-27-2001 19:43:11




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 Re: Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to drott, 04-20-2001 15:13:28  
Hey drott. Explain to me timing on a roots type blower having an effect on power. I have repaired many Detroits both back when I had a real job and now that I fix them for other people in my business, and have never timed a blower to the engine, or offered to change timing at blower to increase HP. Have heard of gas engines with blowers getting bigger or smaller pulleys to over or under drive the blower to increase or decrease induction pressure, but timing hasn't been an issue. Usually get more thunder out of a detroit by injectors, injector timing, governor springs &weights,Blown and turbo'd, but never knew blower timing had anything to do with it. Frankly, I like detroit engines, they provide relative job security, are reliable, start fairly easily, but do leak profusely whenrun many hours. V-92 engines on up were about the only 2 stroke engines that a lot of thunder at the bottom end. Most others usually needed to be about half cranked to have any steam.... one man's opinion.

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jerry Gerthofer

04-20-2001 11:03:53




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 Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to RC, 04-19-2001 20:23:40  
no way. Plain onheard of.



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One more question

04-19-2001 20:28:47




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 Re: CAN IT BE DONE ? in reply to RC, 04-19-2001 20:23:40  
How many rpm's does the TD14 run at the governor?
You know the GM's need to turn 2100 to make power, and the V's are worse than the inline about needing rpm's. Do the rpm's match?



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