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raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help

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Lynn Kasdorf

07-23-2003 13:44:14




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I'm building a 52'x24' barn, with 12' walls. The walls are 20' apart, and I need that unobstructed opening on the ends, so I'm going to use trusses for the roof. I'm building this by myself.

I've been strategizing on how I'm going to get the trusses up onto the walls. Here is my crazy idea. I have a full size backhoe/loader, so I ought to be able to use it.

I will make a jig of 2x4s that is like a big H, except 2 crosspieces and a diagonal brace, to keep the 2 verticals parallel.

I'll temporarily attach a truss to the top half of the H with clamps or screws.

I'll fashion a gizmo for the front bucket of my backhoe, which will consist to two sections of either 5" box beam or pipe that are mounted vertically. Something that the 2x4s can easily slide into. These pieces of tubing will be welded to suitable bracketry to attach it to the bucket securely, but in a removable fashion. The pipe sections will go vertically across the face of the bucket.

To raise a truss, I'll tilt the bucket down, drive up to a truss with the attached H jig, and through muscle power, finagle the truss so as to get the vertical 2x4s of the H jig to slide into the 2 pipe sections on the bucket.

Then, I'll tilt the bucket until the truss is vertical. It will slide down into the pipes on the bucket attachment, and be stopped by the horizontal of the H jig.

Then, I'll raise the bucket up until the truss clears the walls, and drive in from the end of the building. Lower the bucket to drop the truss into place.

One thing I like about this approach is that the H jig will hang down and should keep the truss standing up until it can be secured. Then I'll detach the H jig and attach to the next truss in the stack, and so on.

Anybody try anythinglike this? I have access to a great steel scrap dumpster, so materials for the bucket attachement should not be a problem.

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the answer to all

07-26-2003 19:39:00




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
1 keg of beer
4 pizza's
6 big friends that owe you favors

it worked for me



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Brad Miller

07-24-2003 06:38:36




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
I used my JD440 crawler loader to place trusses on a 12' wall also. The a frame was made of 2"x8" attached the bucket on the outside edges of the cutting edge and I ran a cable from the hook on the center of my bucket to the top of the a frame.
I would hook the truss on a hook at the top of the aframe and do most of the lifting with the loader as possible as tilting the bucket with that long extension was trickey, a little movement of the bucket was alot out at the end of the a frame.
I think I have a picture of this setup.

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VADAVE

07-24-2003 06:13:18




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
I agree with George--your making it too hard. George's method will work real good. Another is to set the trusses up on the walls upside down. Nail short 2X4s to the wall where you want the truss; slide the truss up against the 2X4s. Then with a 2X4 raise the top of the truss to level or a little higher. Oh yeah you have two ropes attached to the top--one goes over the the top to raise the truss into position and the other keeps it from going on over. Hold the end one up right with a scabed up 2X4 brace to the ground.

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Bill

07-23-2003 22:37:42




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
I built my 30 X 60 X 12 shop several years ago using my old jeep. The Warn winch provided the lift and a ladder-like structure made of T-bar mounted to the front bumper simulated a forklift. The important thing I want to tell you is that I took #1 and #2 trusses and formed a structure that was then lifted into place on one end. Why did I do it this way? Because there was nothing to tie braces to to support the first truss. I even put the siding on the end and fitted the louvre vent and threw on the stain while it was on the ground. I did the same thing for the last two trusses. But, good luck trying to do this alone. I'd never advise anyone to try that. By the way, after the trusses were in place the "fork-lift" elevated all the roof sheathing and 3 Tab onto the eaves level for the finish. Then I took off the fork-lift attachment and built a platform on top of the roll cage 12' long and 4' wide to do a lot of the work insie and out that would have required a scaffold or ladders. Whew, gla
d that's done!
Bill

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george md

07-23-2003 20:51:32




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
Lynn, You are making the job too hard . make a tripod
boom with two legs bolted to the sides of the bucket at the cutting edge
and the third leg to the top center, hang a chain or strap from the top .I have had that set up for 30 years on my loader , set my trusses and many other barns and shops .

george



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Lynn Kasdorf- Leesburg,VA

07-24-2003 07:15:15




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 Re: Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no h in reply to george md, 07-23-2003 20:51:32  
To make a boom that I can use to lift the trusses from the top, the boom would have to extend at least 6' above the top of the bucket. When I raise my bucket all the way, the top edge of the bucket is nearly to the top of the walls. Since my trusses will be 5' tall in the middle, I'll need about 6' above the top edge of the bucket. I think making a sturdy lifting boom that tall could be tricky.

If I could fashion such a boom, it would be an easier way to grab each truss. I could still attach a long 2x4 to the truss to cause it to sit upright when I let go of it.

Hmm. Here's an idea. I currently have a nice 3pt hitch boom pole for the back of my tractor. Maybe I could rig some sort of 3 pt hitch on the bucket, so I could just hook on my existing boom pole...

I'd love to see pics of your arrangement.

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george md

07-24-2003 15:53:51




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 Re: Re: Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket in reply to Lynn Kasdorf- Leesburg,VA, 07-24-2003 07:15:15  
Lynn,

my boom is out in the bushes somewhere , not handy. I made
the pipes 10 or 12 feet

long and that gave me 26 feet of reach , built 2 sets over the years
first was made of 2 inch

pipe and worked great . Later I got the erge to build a heavier one
and made it from 4 inch

pipe , but these were on a case 1000 crawler loader . 2 inch should
work great for you .

george

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Lloyd Strickland

07-23-2003 16:16:40




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
Lynn, Ijust raised trusses on a shelter similar to yours in much the same manner. I have a steel shaft mounted at the top of my bucket with an a frame support resting in the floor of the bucket. I slid a square tube over this shaft and welded a ring for a chain to go through on the end. I rolled the bucket down to attach the chain at the center point of the truss. At this distance the truss was to heavy for the bucket to curl back. I raised it straight up until the angle allowed for the curl to work. I set the trusses on a fourteen foot wall. I had help in another bucket to attach them to the wall but it could be done alone. I set my trusses on 8 by 8 beams 24 feet long that I set with the same rig. Lloyd

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Lynn Kasdorf

07-23-2003 13:53:09




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 Re: raising roof trusses w/loader bucket no help in reply to Lynn Kasdorf, 07-23-2003 13:44:14  
the title was supposed to say "raising roof trusses w/loader bucket & no help" meaning that I'm doing this construction by myself, not that the backhoe is no help! The server strips punctuation...

Also, I forgot to unhide my email, which I have done on this msg. (the board really should default to unhidden)



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