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MJGTexas

08-21-2003 09:56:32

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I will be in the market for a small used dozer soon. I have 70 acres that I manage for wildlife habitat and need a dozer to clear underbrush and small trees (4"-6"). I will most likely use it to dig small ponds and/or shallow wetland areas as well. I don't have any background or experience with dozers, so any and all opinions will be appreciated. Also, what kind of prices can I expect to pay for a good unit.

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Joe Giordano

08-26-2003 18:10:53

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

As one of the fellows above mentioned my name I am always running across crawlers, dozers and loaders. I think my self for what you want a loader would work good. I just today sold a nice little Oliver OC46 that would of been a nice machine. I know where other small dozers and loaders are that are very reasonable but all need work and the price will reflect that. If you don't mind working on one or have some that can, I run across machines all the time for around $2000 to $3500. Anytime I can be of help even if your not interested in buying let me know, I live in Hershey Pa. dozerjoe@yahoo.com

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Kirby

08-23-2003 18:31:21

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

I'm located in Texas also. What part of Texas are you from? I own a land clearing business using dozers, excavator, skid steer with tree sheers and track loaders. I had to deal with numerous contacts to put my equipment together. I may be able to help you in your purchase and selection on a local level and offer some advise. I'll be glad to share my experiences if you have any questions.

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MJGTexas

08-25-2003 04:46:55

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Kirby, 08-23-2003 18:31:21

Thanks Kirby, I live near Galveston, my property is in Leon County near Centerville. Any contact information would be appriciated and advise is always welcome.

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Doug

08-24-2003 21:00:20

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Kirby, 08-23-2003 18:31:21

Kirby would be in Central part of State?

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Deas Plant.

08-23-2003 06:48:03

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

Hi, MJG. As a couple of others have mentioned, it might well be worth your considering a small track loader for what you have planned. A loader, even a 4 wd loader, will often push over a far bigger tree than a similar-sized 'dozer because of their extra reach. Handling them on the ground is also usually easier with a loader for the same reason. A 4-in-1 bucket adds to this versatility by giving you grab-and-carry capability -- amongst other things. On top of this, a loader will dig harder ground than a 'dozer, especially if you have teeth fitted, simply because of the bucket's digging action. To match this with a 'dozer, you need rippers. Fit rippers to a loader and you increase its versatility yet again. Also, a loader will get itself out of wet spots that a 'dozer just digs itself deeper into by using the bucket to push or jack it out. Admittedly, a 'dozer will float across wet ground that would see a loader sinking but, once down, a 'dozer is a remarkably useless piece of equipment. Don't get me wrong. 'Dozers have their place. I'd rather have a 'dozer for bulk earth-moving any day, especially if it has a bull-tilt blade. These PAT blades are garbage when it comes to serious earth-moving. They are good for what they were designed for -- clean-up and finishing work. My 2 cents worth and I've operated both extensively. Hope this helps. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Brian

08-23-2003 09:50:11

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Deas Plant., 08-23-2003 06:48:03

Deas, Thanks- exactly the advice I needed too. Given the choice how would you like to have the tracked loader outfitted? A wish list- gas/diesel, tracks, general size/wt, PTO, & do you have specific small models in mind? Brian

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Deas Plant

08-23-2003 17:44:04

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Re: Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Brian, 08-23-2003 09:50:11

Hi, Brian. One of your questions is easy to answer. Gas or diesel -- NO CONTEST, there is no valid reason for buying a gas machine in this day and age with the possible exception of initial purchase price. Having mentioned initial purchase price, given that gas and diesel machines are in similar mechanical order, it is worth it if you can to outlay a few extra bucks for the diesel. More grunt, better economy, better wear, a more robust construction, less to go wrong and easier on the environment. I am a dedictated Cat. man, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to other makes and models. Although I live in Australia (DownUnder.), I have a bit of an appreciation of your 'grey' market as we have something similar down here. It does seem to me that some people have good experiences with grey-market machines and some finish up regretting ever seeing them. Ask around about them in your area. (See para. below about dealers, service, etc..) As for the rest of it, feel free to drop me an e-mail giving an outline of the work you are considering doing, dams, roadworks, clearing, size of trees, ground conditions, including soil types, wet or dry, distances you will be working over (e.g. how far you will be needing to travel around your property and/or neighbour's properties), any environmental considerations you might have and an outline of your experience with machines in general and your ability to maintain them. Other helpful information that you could gather for yourself around your neck of the woods is what dealers offer the best service on what makes and models of machines. Ask around amongst the locals and look at what machines they have and which ones they use most. Also look at which ones seem to spend the most time in the dealer's workshops. VaTom and I exchanged quite a few e-mails back and forth as he looked at various machines and asked about them. He was not really considering the one he finished up buying and simply mentioned that he had heard about it, but I suggested he take a look at it, even if only to see what it was for the dollars for comparison purposes. (He is now the proud owner of a new second-hand cat-bed -- ask him about that one.) You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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VaTom

08-23-2003 12:50:42

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Re: Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Brian, 08-23-2003 09:50:11

Hi Brian, Not Deas here, and you could do a whole lot worse than him as an information source. He just finished guiding me through a rubber-tired loader search. I'm delighted with the result, which included steering me away from a particularly unstable loader that looked great to me. I ended up with a 60's 11 1/2 ton Cat (944). For your needs I believe my Cat 933 track loader would be very adequate. At 8 tons it does serious work at about half the cost of a JD 450 (similar size) would be in my market. Not the most numerous of machines but great if you can find one in decent shape. For my new-to-me loader, only a 4-in-1 bucket was considered. It would also be wonderful for you but I've rarely seen them. If you're anywhere near central Virginia I do know where there's a MF, slightly smaller, with 4-in-1 that the owner put a new undercarriage on and now wants to sell. I know almost nothing about that tractor and Deas may very well know some reason why you don't want to own one, but it looks good. I'm undecided whether to keep a tracked machine. I had distinct reasons for wanting a rubber-tired one and will be very curious as to how well it does compared to track for my interests. Industrial rubber-tired loaders are amazingly inexpensive around here. PTOs are unusual on all of the above. Good luck with your search.

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RexB

08-22-2003 07:04:30

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

I've a 1970 JD350 dozer with a factory rake and winch that's been a monster in the woods and pushes dirt/gravel real well too. Bought for $8400 from a neighbor, all in excellent condition, the track pins turned 120 degrees once. There are other good small dozers, love the way my JD "PacMan" takes out shallow rooted alders and hemlocks up to 8" diameter, work the rootball on anything bigger so as not to stress the machine. Graded 900ft of my 30 year old road with a packed pit-run base no prob. Haven't dug a pond. The harder I work it, within reason for it's size, the smoother and quieter we run.

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Taylor Lambert

08-21-2003 15:06:48

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

I have a friend that sells Grey market Komatsu and Mitsubishi as well as Cat. He has a nice Mitsubishle track loader for 6500. You can cut V tches and clear with a loader to. Its small enough to tow with a 3/4 ton and a good trailer. Also he has a few Komats D20 and 21 that are in the 15 k price range. Becareful when buying some oler machines and some newer as well. Lots of wear can be done to a tracked machine just by over working it. For clearing w douldnt recomend a sixway blade. Make sure the undercarriage is good to or that can be anoth 3 grand. I have a rebuilt AC HD20 on the lot right now for a friend. its a huge machine but has a brush blade and dirt blade. It can make quick work on 70 acres.

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Dave Macomber

09-05-2003 07:34:29

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Taylor Lambert, 08-21-2003 15:06:48

I may be interested in the AC HD20. How much are you asking for it?

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MJGTexas

08-22-2003 03:36:43

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Taylor Lambert, 08-21-2003 15:06:48

Where are you located Taylor? And your friend as well. I need to start gathering contacts and phone numbers for future reference.

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Taylor Lambert

08-22-2003 21:02:06

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Re: Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-22-2003 03:36:43

MJG Im in northeast MS, in a town called iuka. My friend with the track loader is in Red Bay Alabama about 22 miles from here. Its got new pain and rops. Also it has pyramid mud pads and is a standard wid track. If i was able id have it in my hands lol. Its a good machine and you can test drive it. Its in the D3 size range and has a toothed bucket. Ive made a few brush rakes to fit the buckets on these machines and they do good for cleaning under brush from around trees and stacking dirt free piles. Any questions you may have about a machine feel free to ask, Im a heavy equipment operator and mechanic. I dont have Bays card but i can get you there number in a few days.

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Lou

08-21-2003 14:55:29

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

All good advise. A few years back I got a 450 John Deere loader in good shape for $5,000.00. Love that machine! I don't know where you are but there is a fellow that has a lot of ads on this site for small dozers and an occasional loader. Joe Giordano is his name, I think. He is located in Chambersburg PA. Lots of good machines out there for good prices, especially if you are not in a hurry. Best of luck!

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MJGTexas

08-22-2003 03:57:01

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Lou, 08-21-2003 14:55:29

Thanks Lou. Actually a loader might work well for me now that I think about it. Thanks for the advice.

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DiggerLarry

08-21-2003 11:37:52

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

MJG, I would get something like a JD 350 or 450. I'm a JD guy but I'm sure there are other good brands as well. I just went this spring with a friend to a local dealer where he purchased a JD455 with rear rippers for $16,000 and it was a very nice machine (rebuilt engine, good tracks, and repainted). Good machines can still be had for much less than that. Dealers are usually higher in their asking price than what you can get from a individual. 6 way blades are very handy if you are doing any ditching as I think you might managing wetlands. Cat is also higher but they are very good machines but if your not making a living with it, I would not pay the extra cost. Look for a JD, Case, or similiar. Not sure about TX but here you can find a good crawler for less that 10K. Be careful, if your not experienced. Crawlers are a little different that a wheeled machine in operation. Steel tracks can be 'slick' on some surfaces too. DiggerLarry

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MJGTexas

08-22-2003 03:51:11

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to DiggerLarry, 08-21-2003 11:37:52

Thanks for the advice. I've got a good dozer operator in the area close to my property, I was going to ask him to look at any potential purchase for me first. Trouble is, you know how folks like that are, if that dozer isn't pushing dirt they aren't making money, I'll be lucky if he can break away when the time comes. Thanks again.

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back40

08-21-2003 10:26:32

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Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 09:56:32

What's your budget?

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MJGTexas

08-21-2003 10:36:36

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Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to back40, 08-21-2003 10:26:32

This is a tough one for me, I was hoping to only spend around $10-15K. Is this a reasonable expectation?

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Brian

08-21-2003 12:54:06

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Re: Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-21-2003 10:36:36

I think you can find a very nice machine for that price. Depending on how fast you want to go- you may be able to get by on much less. I just found an old D-4 Cat to look at for $4000 asking. I'm in the same boat with about 100 acres managed for wildlife habitat. Have tractor but just can't deal with things like a dozer.

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MJGTexas

08-22-2003 03:41:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to Brian, 08-21-2003 12:54:06

Brian, let me know if and where you come up with a dozer if your in Texas. Like I said above, I will be gathering contact information and phone numbers. Thanks for the reply.

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Tim

08-22-2003 19:41:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Small Dozer Opinions/Advice in reply to MJGTexas, 08-22-2003 03:41:52

Know a guy here in Oklahoma that has a TD20 IHC Last I knew he only wanted $3000.00 for it. Ask for Larry, Phone 580 355 5545, Located near Lawton Oklahoma

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