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JD450 with Backhoe

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back40

09-11-2003 04:34:20




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Found a JD450 (serial# starts with 5M028)that has a backhoe attachment on it. Pins/bushings shot, sprockets need replaced, pads good, idlers good, can't see rollers due to rockguards(assuming they're bad too). Machine hourmeter says 3300hrs. Guy says machine runs and will probably use some oil if used hard for 8 or 10 hrs. Says make an offer. Question is that I've only worked on CASE 310 dozers and am wondering how this JD450 would compare? Are they more horsepower, are they a better machine? Most importantly, are they as easy to work on as the CASE 310? Don't need any special tools really to work on the CASE, do you need special pullers to remove/replace sprockets on the JD450? What's the weak point on a 450, anything to watch out for? Lastly, how much would it cost to put a new undercarriage on the 450 and what's this machine worth as it sits? Thanks,

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jdemaris

09-11-2003 18:37:15




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 Re: JD450 with Backhoe in reply to back40, 09-11-2003 04:34:20  
As far as being rugged goes, the JD 450 is twice the machine a Case 310 is. The Case is not much more than a Cletrac HG with a 188 cube engine stuck in it. The transaxle is the basically the same Clark unit used in the Cletrac. As far as horsepower goes, depends on what vintage the 450 is and whether or not it's a turbo. A JD 450B with turbo would run circles around a Case 310. Generally speaking, no special tools are needed for working on the 450 except for the HL-R transmission. It's probably one of the most rugged hydraulic transmissions JD ever made, but can be a real pain-in-the-ass if it needs rebuilding . . . and expensive. Working on the undercarriage, e.g. the rollers, idlers, sprockets, etc. is no more difficult than any other crawler. You asked about weak spots. Only one that comes to mind, maybe, is ... or . . . are the balancing shafts in the engine. Since four cylinder engines tend to vibrate a bit, John Deere uses two balancing shafts in the bottom of the engine. What happens, over time, is the engines get a few "in frame" rebuilds, which means perhaps new sleeves, pistons, main and rod bearings, and perhaps oil pump gears . . . but the balancing shaft bearings don't get changed since they're not so easy to get at. So, you then wind up with an engine that won't hold oil pressure when hot. I don't think it's fair to call this a "weak" spot, better put it's a neglected spot.

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Nathan

04-05-2006 13:51:02




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 Re: Re: JD450 with Backhoe in reply to jdemaris, 09-11-2003 18:37:15  
I"m looking at a 1968 JD 450 that has a ripper on the back end and a loader on the front. Can the ripper be replaced w/ a backhoe attachment. If so, about how much does one run. thx, njm



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