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Track loader for land clearing...... Any good?

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James

10-10-2003 21:01:03




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We have about 60 acres to clear and have been looking for a dozer. I found a low hour track loader with a rear mounted ripper and a 4in1 bucket. It weighs about 43000lbs and has 200HP. It definately has enough power and size to do anything that I need. My main concern is that it has aggressive street pads and not the large grouser pads like the ones found on dozers. Will they give me enough traction to clear the large brush and push over trees? I have never operated a crawler with street pads and need to know if they will grab or just spin. Thanks, James

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JJ

10-13-2003 09:43:50




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
We use an allis chalmers HD4 trac loader on the farm for cleaning fence rows, dirt moving ect... I don't think you'd want deep grousers on a trac loader, street pads are much better. Even for just a small machine (13,000lbs - 52hp) i could see tearing up the rear end or transmission without some slippage. You get to pushing some dirt with just a regular bucket, with out a place for the dirt to go right away (loads in the bucket before it windrows off the corners) that is an awful lot of stress. Street pads spin out easy but if you are careful you'll be ok not getting stuck. Even with my small machine i can push over some fair sized trees, not as easily as you could though. I've got to dig up some roots first then push in the direction of the hole i dug, works well.

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Deas Plant.

10-11-2003 23:06:48




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
Hi, James. Firstly, give me a track loader for clearing over a similar sized 'dozer any time -- mostly because of that extra reach. Having said that, that machine will have enough pure grunt and weight to push over a pretty big tree. May I suggest that you don't let all that raw power go to your head and simply push everything in sight. Even with all that power available, it still pays to rip around the bases of some trees to help get the roots out with the tree trunk instead of having to dig them out separately. If you choose to weld on extra grouser material material, check to see if the track chains are sealed and lubricated first. If you weld re-builds on to the grousers of sealed and lubricated chains with the plates still on the chains you are a pretty sure bet to ruin the pin-to-bush seals and let all the oil out. This means that your potentially long-lived SALT chains will become MUCH shorter-lived dry chains. Also,if you are re-building and you have the old 3-bar plates, may I suggest that you only re-build the front and rear grousers on each plate. This will give you traction way above what the original 3 bar plates ever had. Spinning tracks, like spinning wheels, is one thing that the operator is largely in control of. Use only enough horsepower for the conditions you are in. A 4-in-1 bucket is a great tool and I would advise anyone who is looking at any loader to consider having one on it. They make the machine so much more useful, especially for farm work. However, they are NOT indestructable, especially on bigger machines like this one you are looking at. Use it with due consieration for what the work might be doing to the bucket and you will find it will last a lot longer. Give some serious consideration to how much your head and your health are worth to you. You can -- with care -- clear a LOT of trees and brush without a protective canopy BUT it's a LOT safer with a good one fitted. Also, how you approach a tree will have a substantial bearing on your life expectancy. Even, and especially, with all that reach, do it gently AFTER checking for dead limbs that might decide to do you an injury because you are attacking their home. I will upload a photo of a timber canopy to Tractor Photos for you. Some say this is going overboard but, like riding a motorcycle, the value you put on your head is what you will pay for protection for that head. Hope this helps. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Joel Harman

10-11-2003 17:24:19




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
It may be easier to push the trees as you can reach higher with the loader than you could with a blade. Make sure you protect the radiator if you push high on the trees.



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Old Peddler

10-11-2003 05:22:51




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
Yes, mine works very well with 225hp, regular bucket and worn street pads. I stay away from damp/soft places though.



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JimInOz

10-11-2003 02:34:22




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
Taylor is right..the loader is better for that work & if you use the bucket teeth right,you'll clear the trees without pushing up lotsa dirt.Then you'll easily stack it up to burn.The plates can be frustrating...just weld bar on,as suggested.You've probably got enough weight/power to do the work ,without adding extra traction.



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Taylor Lambert

10-10-2003 22:23:05




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
If its 200 HP it should have enough traction to clear, the reason a loader has street pads is when loading it has to turn alot and this avoids chewing up the groung in the loading area, the second reason is when loading it also ltes the track spin before it will spin down as quick as a grouser machine. I run a rear engined Komatsu track loader alot and its handy clearing its close to 200 HP as well. Ive run the equivelent in the Cat range that came from a landfill with the graser pads like a dozer and it was easy to spin down. I think youd be happy with that loader, clearing is pretty hard to do with a dozer, because of the lack of leverage. Ive cleared with both and they have good and bad points. If i had to have one or the other Id go with the loader. Also if you did want to make them more agressive you can order grouser bar from an under cariage dealer and weld them onto your pads Im asuming you have the 3 bar grousers.

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Lil'Putz

10-10-2003 21:24:28




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 Re: Track loader for land clearing...... Any good? in reply to James , 10-10-2003 21:01:03  
Hello James, I've got a JD 450 crawler with street pads,...not very good for brush clearing,...spins out alot,....works okay in soft loam and gravel,....and of course,..crossing the street. L.Putz



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