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1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Leak

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Wingnut

10-17-2003 23:05:39




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My 350 Loader has been leaking fluid from the bottom front of the reverser case...Iam assuming that the the sealing ring on the rear of the pump cover is leaking..If so what is the easyiest way of correcting this problem...loader removal,Engine removal or final drive removal..also could something more internal be causing the seal to leak....Thanks for any and all input.. Wingnut




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jdemaris

10-18-2003 08:12:52




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 Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Leak in reply to Wingnut, 10-17-2003 23:05:39  
Most of the time the reversers do leak from the front input shaft. This IS where the pump is, but the leak is usually caused by failed bearings inside the reverser. Thus, just pulling the engine and installing a new pump/shaft seal will not fix the problem. You'll be able to tell quite easily just by how loose the input shaft is. It should have a maximum endplay of .006". The reverser has a weak point which tends to fail, especially in the older units. Newer reversers, or updates for the older ones, get a larger bearing. Anyway, it goes like this. Input shaft in front rides on a fairly large adjustable Timken style bearing, then midway . . . inside the reverser, the input shaft joins the output shaft. At this point, there's a tiny little Timken style bearing. Units up to 350B, originally, have/had an inadequate sized bearing here. Then at the back of the reverser at the end of the output shaft, is another large Timken style bearing. Also, at the rear-outside of the reverser is an adjustable bearing quill that has a shim pack in it. So, adjustment is made with the reverser case removed from the crawler. Again, to sum this up, there are two shafts, inline, and three bearing assemblies. 99% of the time, it's the little center bearing that fails. When it goes the whole deal gets loose and the front pump seal blows oil out. If you pull the engine, and the shaft is not excessively loose, you CAN just put a new seal in the front pump, which requires only pulling the engine. This is rarely the case, though.

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wingnut

10-18-2003 09:54:13




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 Re: Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Leak in reply to jdemaris, 10-18-2003 08:12:52  
So do you think the way to go is to remove the final drive to get to the reverser...or still approach it by removing the engine...thanks once again. Wingnut



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jdemaris

10-18-2003 20:18:40




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 Re: Re: Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Leak in reply to wingnut, 10-18-2003 09:54:13  
No, pull the engine-radiator assembly out, then the reverser out. Leave the transmission,final drives, and side-frames intact.



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Wingnuts

10-20-2003 16:25:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Leak in reply to jdemaris, 10-18-2003 20:18:40  
Well the engine is out...Jde was right on the money..Shaft had about 0.10 play...Gonna pull the reverser out the front under the cowl support,as i still have the loader mounted...The book says it can be done leaving the loader mounted...Does anyone have some insight in doing it this way...Looks to me the only problem is figuring out how to clear the brake pedal...All comments welcome...,,Thanks Wingnut

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jackson holland

10-19-2003 02:27:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Leak in reply to jdemaris, 10-18-2003 20:18:40  
DO YOUR COMMENTS APPLY TO REVERSER IN A 440 DEERE ICD CRAWLER? I JUST BOUGHT ONE FOR REBUILD. THANKS JACKSON



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jdemaris

10-19-2003 07:11:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid Lea in reply to jackson holland, 10-19-2003 02:27:18  
No, my comments apply to 1010s and 350s only. 440 is totally different and does not have a hydraulic reverser. In fact, when I worked for a JD dealer, we had several 440s come in for "conversions", which entailed removing the reversers and making them direct-drive. Seems some owners felt the reversers were not rugged enough and wanted them removed to make the machines more reliable. As I recall, speaking generally about the 420 - 440 machines, they started out with an optional reverser that was composed of a set of non-synchronized gears. To shift without damage, a full stop was necessary. They broke pretty easy. Then, at some point, perhaps with the 440, a somewhat stronger unit was the option. This had constant mesh gears for forward and reverse that were activated by a set of over-center clutch packs. They rode in oil but were NOT hydraulcally engaged. They could be engaged or disengaged witout a full stop. These clutch packs were adjustable without removing the reverser. I wish now I had some of units we threw out in the junk pile. As far as entirely removing the reverser on the 440, if it were me I'd still remove the engine to get too it, but it's a toss up and is set up differently than the later 1010/350 machines.

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jackson holland

10-19-2003 20:49:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1967 JD 350 Reverser Fluid in reply to jdemaris, 10-19-2003 07:11:43  
MANY THANKS JACKSON



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