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Sean, Check this photo.

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Deas

11-10-2003 06:19:56




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Hi, Sean. You might like to check this photo in the tractor photos section. See link below. I think you will see how the 4-in-1 rams work from this photo. To make life easier for a 4-in-1 bucket, it is essential that you do any heavy digging, such as breaking tree roots or lifting out large rocks with the corners of the front cutting edge. These are its strongest areas. Also, as far as possible, when using the 4-in-1 bucket as a grab for logs, rocks, etc., try to make sure the pressure is evenly distributed to both sides. It is not always possible to do this but just be aware of it and try to make it standard policy where possible. It also pays to go around your bucket, and indeed your whole machine, regularly to check for cracks and breakages or excessive wear. Look after your machines and most of 'em will look after you. The over-heating problems occurred near the coast in an area where summer temps seldom make 100 deg. F. A pretty warm day around here in mid-summer is about 90-92 deg. F. and the humidty can get right up in the 80-90% range. If you want to drop me an e-mail, I'll give you some more pointers on the use and care of 4-in-1 buckets. Hope this helps. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Sean

11-10-2003 08:39:56




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 Re: Sean, Check this photo. in reply to Deas , 11-10-2003 06:19:56  
Deas, Thank you for the 4-1 picture. I can clearly see the rams on the backside of the bucket now. Glad I have that cleared up, all this time I thought the bucket was merely hinged so that it could be manually removed when necessary. And it sounds like your summers are pretty much identical to ours here in Maryland (close to Washington DC). Temps run into the high 90's with 70-95% humidity...basically swamplike! (many of our "founding fathers" did not want to locate our nation's capitol in DC for that very reason) So if a 951B had overtemping problems in Australia, they would likely experience the same problems here. And TimV thanks for the nice big picture of the 4-1, and I don't mind at all that it was a large picture. It gave a nice clear look at the bucket, so much appreciated. And if I understand you guys, the 4-1 can be used for digging out stumps, you just have to be "judicious" in the way you cut the roots and pry on the stump. I guess this simply takes a bit of mechanical judgement and intuition. Requiring you to listen to what your machine is telling you as you strategically cut and pry as required. Something probably learned only through experience, I would imagine. Another concern I have is with parts availability with the Cats from the 70's and 80's. If I was to say, buy a 1975 941 with rippers and 4-1...How available are parts for something of that vintage? Will it be like trying to find parts for my 1970 Kawasaki H1 triple? Which actually isn't that hard to find parts for, but you always have to hunt and search for used parts (mostly on ebay) and always hope they are of good quality and are available at reasonable prices. For heavy equipment, that especially concerns me for high dollar items that require a lot of labor $$ to replace, when you're not even sure if its going to hold up or even work at all. I'm starting to wonder if it might not be smarter to opt for a newer D41S or D51S Komatsu machine (from the 80's maybe)...Does Komatsu make their parts available for vintage machines and at reasonable prices? Thanks to both of you guys for the great input...it is much appreciated!

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george md

11-10-2003 23:50:28




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 Re: Re: Sean, Check this photo. in reply to Sean, 11-10-2003 08:39:56  
Sean, Being that you are also in Md, your local cat dealer will most likely be Alban tractor , and also being that they have the whole area sewed up they price things accordingly. They will relieve you of all your dollars and probably some you don't have yet. There is a case dealer on 301 near brandywine you might want to look there, one of the salesman deals in the lower price machines that the company doesn't want setting around for show.He deals separate from the co on those machines. Sounds like one of the 1150 series or a 1450 would do what you need done. A fellow with one machine and little experience would do well to stay away from hydrostatic because if one teaspoon of dirt or water gets past the filter the repairs begin at 8 grand and go up.Go with an old power shift machine , they are nearly indestructable .And deas is right 951's all had heat troubles by design , but alban didn't mind charging all the owners to try to fix it,unsuccessfully. If you own a cat and have to repair a final drive , you will rent a puller and a pusher to take it apart and reassemble it. You can work on a case with nothing but standard shop tooling. Wonder where you are in this miserable little state that robs every truck that goes up and down the east coast. george

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Deas Plant.

11-10-2003 11:50:28




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 Re: Re: Sean, Check this photo. in reply to Sean, 11-10-2003 08:39:56  
Hi, Sean. We have no trouble getting parts for the older machines in our fleet, the 941's and 943's, both of which are now no longer in production. The youngest of the 941's is a 20 year-old machine, the oldest is 30 years old and all 3 of them still do a full day's work every day, 5 1/2 days a week. They've also got a lot of company amongst the other contractors who are using track front end loaders. My boss tried Cases when he first started and they very near broke him. He still has most of the first Cat 941 he ever bought. It was rolled a couple of years after he got it, stood back up on its feet and put back to work. He only parked it and started parting it out for the 941's about2 1/2 years ago because the transmission was getting a bit sick. We still buy mostly new parts or re-conditioned assemblies and have no trouble getting them. Just occasionally, something will have to be overnight air-freighted from Caterpillar Australia in Melbourne, around 1,000 crow-type miles South of here. Komatsu now no longer make any of their crawler loader line except for the D75S, a 25 ton machine that was last upgraded around 1978. You can start to get a 'feel' for your machine and especially the business - bucket - end by watching the way the bucket and loader frame moves as you put load on it. And move it will. You may remember that I mentioned having a machine fitted with a ripper. Where you can get the ripper to them, it will do a better job on the tree roots than the bucket. In many cases, simply ripping around the base of the tree to cut the surface roots is enough. Our summers may be similar, Sean, but I doubt our winters are. I still go most places around here in the middle of winter on most days dressed in shorts and shirt. The nearest snow - summer or winter - is normally around 800 miles South of here. And, we are still around 300 miles South of the tropics. I am pretty much right in the middle of a 400 mile coastal strip that has similar conditions and I regard it as being one of the very few places on Earth that are fit for human habitation. Funny thing is a real hot day might be 90-92 deg. F. here and 600 to 1000 miles further SOUTH, closer to the South Pole, they get 100's and 100-pluses, on the coast. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Sean

11-10-2003 15:20:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Sean, Check this photo. in reply to Deas Plant., 11-10-2003 11:50:28  
Deas, It's really good to hear that all the parts necessary are available for the older Cats. Overall I feel like I'm leaning toward a 941 or maybe a 951C if I could find one. The Komatsu's really sound good too, although I've had a much harder time finding used D41S and D51S' for sale (you see quite a few 951s and 941's). Since you're so knowledgeable about 941's, 951's, and D31S, D41S, D51S' is there anything in particular that a prospective buyer should look for with these models? And another thing is that when sellers describe the UC as being 50%, 75%, 80% etc...how do you accurately assess the UC condition? I know the obvious things to look for like worn sprockets or loose rollers, but not sure how to assess the machine beyond that. I'm also thinking about hiring an experienced Cat/Komatsu mechanic to look over any machine I might buy. How much might a mech charge for a thorough look-over? Should the machine also be operated for a length of time to assess it's condition? What kind of running (and static) tests would be good to check it's condition? And Deas you don't have to answer, I certainly don't want to wear out my welcome here, but I think this stuff is fascinating and I'm really enjoying what Im learning here. But if you're so inclined and have the time, I'd love to hear it. Thanks as always!

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