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Does a 450C have enough power

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James

11-12-2003 13:25:15




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I am looking to purchase a dozer for my ranch. There are several John Deere 450C's for sale but I was wondering if they are large enough for my needs. I have about 2 miles of old fence line that needs to get cleared. It has been neglected for many years and now it is grown up with large trees. The trees average 8" to 10" in diameter and in places they are quite closely spaced. Will a 450c work for this job or do I have to look bigger? Thanks, James

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kyhayman

11-14-2003 11:14:39




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
I tried the owning route. Found out unless I planned to use it for hire I was way ahead to rent what I needed. Most of the rental companies will work with you in the off season. I got a 750 Deere for the price of a 550 ($1000 per week) and they let me have it 2 weeks (40 hrs still (for the $1000)) that included Christmas and New Years. All I had to buy was fuel. Of course the best bet is still to shop around and hire it done. I had a half mile of fence cleared this spring. Guy charged $70 per hour. Regardless of if I rent it or own it figure $25-$30 per hour plus the fuel. It takes him about half the time as it does me. That makes me working mighty cheap.

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Joel Harman

11-14-2003 07:07:41




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
Excavator with a hydraulic thumb.



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Farmer jones

11-13-2003 20:14:07




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
A 450C john deere put me in business. I have run one over 10,000 hours and another one over 5000. I now have 3 455g, 450g 450e also a 855 and a 790elc excavator and others. We will put many more hours on the 455g loaders because they are easy to move and can do nearly anything. first a 450 john deere is larger than a 450 case. A loader is MUCH better for brush work than a dozer. A 10 inch tree is NO problem for a 450C deere loader, EXCEPT... How many times have the trees been cut off? the root could continue to grow each time the tree is cut off and regrows this causes thick looking 10 inch trees with roots large enough for a 4 foot tree. could be a problem. The soil conditions also are a factor to wet will require waiting as you will not accomplish anything. To dry will result in breaking off the trees and leaving a stump which is MUCH harder to remove than the tree. always dig enough around the tree to avoid breaking it off. I removed a 18 inch pin oak this morning with the 455G (a little larger the a 450c) in about 6 minutes. Rocking the tree helps loosen them but don't use the HLR as it will not stand the abuse. use your main tractor clutch.I use the bucket curl to help pry thre tree over much easier on the mechine than rocking. I removed a water oak from a fencerow in southern Illinois clay in about 1982 with two 450c" The root was 13'6" across the log was 54" after being cut off the tree was over 90 tall. and yes we got it out of the hole before we cut the log. sorry for the long response e-mail for more advise. DON"T pay over 12-14,000 for a GOOD 450c. Good luck

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James

11-12-2003 19:42:25




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
Thanks for the replies. The guy up the road that has 450 dozer for sale also has a 450 with a loader on the front. It looks like I could reach higher on the trees when pusning but the tracks really don't look like they would give any traction. Is this correct or is there enough weight to the machine to keep it from spinning out? Thanks, James



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JimInOz

11-12-2003 20:28:18




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 Re: Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 19:42:25  
Go for the loader...more push(on a tree),same power.Plus it will tidy up better.Triple grousers will do the job.



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bob

11-12-2003 19:22:29




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
depends a lot on how deep rooted the trees are as to how much effort it will take to topple them. 10" sycamores are difficult, 10" locust are easy here. If the ground is level. you will have no uphill advantage which is important to small dozer. That will mean digging deeper around each tree if they cant be shoved over. Tilt the blade & shove as high up as you can reach. Rocking the tree helps, as each time you shake it, it rocks over a little more. You need to talk to a local experienced operator. 2 miles of heavy duty work may be too much for 450.

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marlowe

11-12-2003 15:41:06




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
i can't say yes about a 450 JD but i have 3 450 case and i can move any thing i want just takes a little longer. stay with the smaller size for your work . you can move them on a two axle trailer. they run cheep, and parts are cheeper then the big stuff and a little easer to fix your self



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old

11-12-2003 15:18:21




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 Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-12-2003 13:25:15  
Well that depends on how good you can run the thing. Its big enough to take out almost any tree if you work at it for a little. I've taken out tree stumps that where as big as the machine I was useing. A 450 is a nice size dozer not to big or little. You just need to remember it will just take a little longer to move the big stuff, and if where me I'd probably go with it instead of a big machine, less fuel and easyer to get in and out of places. Hope this helps some

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Alvin n Ms.

11-13-2003 08:31:04




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 Re: Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to old, 11-12-2003 15:18:21  
A 450 JD is nice for v/small dirt pushing jobs around, but next to nothing for stumps and big trees. You will be many dollars ahead and save lots of time to hire an 850 JD or D6 Cat, or even larger. A good size excavator is what you probably need. You may be able to buy a 912 Lieberr for less than the 450JD, they are great digging stumps, will take down a large tree, then cradle the thing sideways, pick it up and tote stump and all off to wherever. A 450 is a nice toy untill the under carrage and final drive cost big $$$$. You looking at $10,000, then the transmission goes, another 10, to 15,. But who minds spending on JD.

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Alvin n Ms.

11-13-2003 12:35:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to Alvin n Ms., 11-13-2003 08:31:04  
The previous post is retracted and I would deffently go with the end loader, plus it is much more versatile. You will find lots of use for a loader on a farm.



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James

11-13-2003 13:50:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to Alvin n Ms., 11-13-2003 12:35:03  
Thanks for the input. Looking at the two machines I really wonder how well the track loader would work for clearing brush. The dozer has a sharp cutting edge on the bottom where the loader does not plus it has 5 teeth. Wouldn't the brush just slide under the bucket? James



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JimInOz

11-13-2003 14:08:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does a 450C have enough power in reply to James, 11-13-2003 13:50:59  
That's the beauty of the teeth...if you use the bucket at a slight angle,the teeth act as a rake.This means you get the vegetation,but leave the dirt behind.When you heap it up to burn,you'll (hopefully) have very little dirt on the stack.A 4:1 bucket & ripper would be desirable....you'll never want to sell it once you use it for a while.Good luck.



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Alvin n Ms.

11-13-2003 16:39:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does a 450C have enough po in reply to JimInOz, 11-13-2003 14:08:53  
I saw a JD loader at Vicksburg, Ms that had a dozer blade attached to the front of the loader bucket. You can use a loader for a dozer, but you can't use a dozer for a loader.



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Charles Bane

11-13-2003 19:16:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does a 450C have enoug in reply to Alvin n Ms., 11-13-2003 16:39:04  
Ihave cleared probably 8 or 10 miles fencerows on our own place used a cat 933 loader and an old D8 You cant get to much power you will never regret gettin a bigger tractor .I traded for a few days with a neighbor with a small IHC and as far as doing any real work it was like a toy Someof the trees you talked about you wiil have to dig out where a bigger tractor will do it in one push . the 933 had a bucket and new teeth, but I wasn't real impressed with it for clearing

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Alvin n Ms.

11-14-2003 05:33:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does a 450C have e in reply to Charles Bane, 11-13-2003 19:16:50  
I took down a bunch of large trees with a 550JD that I owned, by climbing up about 25ft tying a chain then added 4 21ft large chains with the leverage to pull them over during wet weather. May not work well in dry conditions as the tree would break off before it would pull over. Other wise a 450JD will barely shake a big tree. I was trying to move off some of the stumps when two boys came up and said they could pull them away with their big bear, so I told them I would pay $2,000.00 for the job. They were so happy then the big bear got hung up and bogged. They still believe, they could have pulled them away, if they had been able to get close enough with their ATV. to hook up.

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