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CAT Loaders $ price vs. other loaders

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Robert Tisovich

11-15-2003 20:11:00




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I have been looking for a 1.5 yard wheel loader. I notice that the CAT loaders are higher priced then other loaders for similar size and hours on machines. Any real reason the CAT wheel loaders are higher priced? Is it justified?




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john

11-16-2003 22:08:50




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 Re: CAT Loaders $ price vs. other loaders in reply to Robert Tisovich, 11-15-2003 20:11:00  
Robert; My 2 cents would be. RELIABILITY! I do not know much about the Japanese stuff so I can not speak about them. Cat made a name for themselves years ago in large truck engines and equipment. Back then at least Cat was known as the bankers type. By that I mean if you ever had to do repairs you better be a banker. Key words here---if you ever had to do--- While I am NOT the Cat buying type of person I still think Cat is the best made machine out there and can see why many do buy them. Working as a operator and not the owner I would much rather go on a job that has Cat equipment. Even today Cat does things in there own way. Example; The EPA has set lower emissions standards this year for diesel engines. Most if not all manufactures are using a EGR valve to meet this standard. But is Cat? NO!!!!! They are paying a fine on every motor sold in last couple of months while they prefect their catalyst exhaust system. Who is correct? Only time will tell but if history plays out it is Cat. (may cost more but works better) Is it justified? Only you can say. Would you buy: A) a snapper mower or a John Deere green tractor B) a murry mower or a lesser quality tractor (like the way I tip toed around that one) If you say (A) buy the Cat If you say (B) do not buy the Cat While all machines will have their problems with hoses and such if you want a machine to run and run hard and have the money for the up front cost and to do expensive repairs if needed buy the Cat. If you are looking to cut up front cost and do not run hard so you have time to do more repairs at a lower cost than stay clear of the Cat. Down time kills some people in lost revenue. What about you? I am sorry if I offended anyone with this post.

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Wayne

11-16-2003 18:21:23




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 Re: CAT Loaders $ price vs. other loaders in reply to Robert Tisovich, 11-15-2003 20:11:00  
Like Deas Plant says CAT,Komatsu and Kawasaki all make, or at least made good loaders. Many of the quarries we work in use the bigger Kawasaki or CAT machines (980 CAT sized or bigger)loading the haul trucks, and you might occasionally see some of the smaller Komatsu machines loading on the yard. The biggest complaint we hear from any of them though no matter what size machine they have is the problems with all the new the electronics. If you can afford the down time and the expense of a new loader every year or two to keep them from "wearing out" on you, then a newer one of any of these makes would be good. Even then though you run into parts problems for even simple things like hoses. The new CATs are now using ORFS fittings, the Komatsu's run JIS fittings, and for the Kawasaki's I'm honestly not sure. Either way the fittings aren't something most shops are gonna carry much of a selection of, even in a larger city. The older CATs are more likely to use the old standard 37degree JIC fittings or regular flat faced stuff that most places carry regularly. I relpaced a 24" line the other day on a Komatsu that fittings and all was right at $100 plus a 80 mile round trip to town to get it made because the NAPA 5 miles from the job didn't carry any JIS fittings. So a little more directly in answer to your question I'm guessing your a smaller operator who is just wanting a machine that is gonna be both dependable as well as affordable to run in the long run. If that's the case, then find an older (at least 10 or 15 yrs), pre-electronic CAT that is in good shape. The older CATs are tough, dependable, not that complicated to work on when you need to, and have enough quality aftermarket parts available when they do need to be repaired to make them very affordable. True you may pay more up front, but in the end you'll see the return in parts savings alone. Just my .02

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denine

06-06-2005 20:12:45




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 Re: Re: CAT Loaders $ price vs. other loaders in reply to Wayne, 11-16-2003 18:21:23  
Does anyone know where the diagnostic test equipment for a Cat IT285 plugs in? Cannot find the plug anywhere?



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Deas Plant.

11-15-2003 20:44:00




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 Re: CAT Loaders $ price vs. other loaders in reply to Robert Tisovich, 11-15-2003 20:11:00  
Hi, Robert. In my humble opinion it IS warranted, IF you have the work to justify it. I know there are a LOT of Case, JD and other devotees come to this site and my remarks may start a debate. I don't care. I have been in the operating game for nearly 40 years and the only other brand that comes close to Cat for performance, reliability, and staying power is that Japanese brand with the funny name -- is it 'Kummagutsa'? I have no argument with the other-brand devotees assertions that their favourite manufacturers make good machines. It is simply that, IMHO, Cat makes better -- as does that Japanese outfit. One other brand to consider for a 4 wd loader would be Kawasaki. I operated a 'Kwacka' 60Z for 3 years back in the early 80's and it did everything that Cat 920's and 930's did on the same job for around 5/8 the initial purchase price and had about 10 hours downtime and a $Au30.00 seal (due to fencing wire wrapped around the rear drive shaft) against its name in that time. From what I hear, they have not gone backwards in the intervening years. Service in your area would need to be a consideration. Hope this helps. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Bob/Ont

11-15-2003 20:32:03




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 Re: CAT Loaders $ price vs. other loaders in reply to Robert Tisovich, 11-15-2003 20:11:00  
They are generaly easier to sell than other makes as service and parts are more available everywhere. They are likely worth the differance, many salesmen of competative machinery have said so. Later Bob



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