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Brian

11-19-2003 20:29:03

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Is it possible or advisable to use a replacement grouser bar welded to a current triple grouser track? Are these replacement grousers expensive?

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11-19-2003 23:34:51

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Re: convert grouser? in reply to Brian, 11-19-2003 20:29:03

I sell regular grouser bar stock in different sizes and if it is a loader you want to at least have two bars per grouser also should check with me on replacement gousers sometimes it is just as cheap if you figure time to replace rather then weld bars on

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Brian

11-21-2003 09:14:56

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Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to ED, 11-19-2003 23:34:51

ED, It is a loader- why do I want to have at least 2 bars per grouser? Why is this any different than something with a blade? I'm not arguing- just curious. Brian

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11-21-2003 16:10:22

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Re: Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Brian, 11-21-2003 09:14:56

Brian A loader is made to carry and dig If you have a full bucket of material and you want to turn that machine it better skid on the tracks or you will find the next weakest link Also if digging bank or pile you want the tracks to spin or you stall or break something and a single grouser just bites to much

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Bob/Ont

11-19-2003 21:17:15

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Re: convert grouser? in reply to Brian, 11-19-2003 20:29:03

Brian, you can weld rebar for concrete to the three grousers, use a diameter that is the same as the grousers are thick. It is not as hard as the grouser bars where but it will get you new life from the pads. Later Bob

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Grant

11-20-2003 10:01:05

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Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Bob/Ont, 11-19-2003 21:17:15

Bob, what kind of rods do you use? Aren't the grausers very high tensile? I've been thinking about widening the tracks on my EX 60 for additional flotation. I realize this can cause more dammage to the U/C, however 99% of the work I do is on my cranberry farm - most of the ground is very soft. In certain places you don't want to stop - I've had that sinking fealing a few times and I don't really like it!

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Bob/Ont

11-20-2003 13:17:38

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Re: Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Grant, 11-20-2003 10:01:05

Grant, I don't do much welding so I can't comment on the rods to use. If you work mostly on soft ground wider pads would be nice but can you put on wider ones and still have the links in the center of the pads? Track loaders use offset pads sometimes but I would be careful on a excavator with the width they are. You might want to consider mats like they used in the old days, lots of work handeling them but not as much as getting stuck. Later Bob

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Grant

11-20-2003 16:41:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Bob/Ont, 11-20-2003 13:17:38

Thanks Bob. I do have a set of pads - mats, for those really soft spots, but as you said lots of handling. Even though they are slow to use, I think I will stick with them. Widening my tracks probably wouldn't help much in the really deep quagmar anyway. Better having a safe useable machine, than one burried up to the cab - which I have seen.

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Deas Plant.

11-21-2003 00:46:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Grant, 11-20-2003 16:41:38

Hi, Grant. I'm no expert but most of my welds stand the test of time and hard usage. I wouldn't bother with anything less than low hydrogen, high tensile steel electrodes or the eqivalent wire and gas in a MIG for just about anything to do with earthmoving or construction equipment. I'm not a great fan of the various alloy electrodes that are doing the rounds for this sort of work either. The big problem with most of them is that, if the weld cracks, you have to either use the same or very similar alloy again or cut/grind the old weld right back to parent metal and start again with something else. Hope this helps. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Grant

11-21-2003 21:54:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Deas Plant., 11-21-2003 00:46:41

Thanks for the info on the rods Deas. By the way, your in Queensland right? I toured around for a few monthes back in '94. Only bad experience was getting stuck in a flood trying to get out of Cairns. We fortunatly ended up in a village of three houses, a pub and and 5000 acres of sugar cane. There were about 30 of us stuck sleeping on the floor of the pub for a week. Actually it wasn't that bad an experience! Grant

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Deas Plant.

11-20-2003 01:16:23

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Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Bob/Ont, 11-19-2003 21:17:15

Hi, Brian. The man I work for has been welding grouser re-build bar on to his worn grousers for about 12 years now. If he does happen to have triple bar plates, he only re-builds the front and rear grousers as he finds this improves traction substantially over the triple bar plate. You would also possibly be surprised where that grouser re-build bar pops up. He has not re-placed a 'dozer cutting edge or a rear floor cutting edge on any of his 10 4-in-1 buckets in the 4 1/2 years I've been with him. We just weld on a new strip of 1" or 1 1/4" grouser bar. Job done. And they last pretty well too. I'm on my 4th rebuild on the 'dozer cutting edge in the two years I have been operating the Cat 953B loader that I am on. And we do a LOT of work with the 'dozer blade, because we are trimming house pads to +/- 20mm (3/4") by laser every day, 5 1/2 days a week. Just a word of caution. If you have SALT - sealed and lubricated track - remove the plates before welding as the heat from the welding will ruin the seals and reduce your SAL Track to a dry track in one smooth, painful operation. Purely as a matter of interest, I have just adjusted the track tension on this 953 for the third time in 22 1/2 months of operation since the track chains were changed. Hope this helps. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Brian

11-20-2003 09:08:42

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Re: Re: Re: convert grouser? in reply to Deas Plant., 11-20-2003 01:16:23

Deas, It looks like I have finally found a small tracked loader with 4 in 1 bucket. The only problem I worried about was traction so I wondered if this was a possible solution. Thanks, Brian

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