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Sean

12-04-2003 08:04:05




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As I stated in my last message, I'm going to be storing a loader on a 15 acre wooded lot in a fairly secluded area. In addition to getting insurance, I also want to vandal/theft proof my loader as best as possible. Here's what I figure on doing so far: (it's going to be a diesel tracked loader btw) 1. Install a hidden switch for ignition cutoff. 2. Install an easily removable heavy gage wire between the starter and the battery or solenoid. 3. Install some type of hidden (lockable?) fuel valve between the fuel tank and fuel pump. 4. Install a locking gas (diesel) cap 5. Install some type of locking/removable cap on the exhaust outlet. 6. Install locking caps on all other oil fillers? (tranny, hydraulics etc) 7. Install a basic alarm system? (there is a neighbor about 600 yards away that could hear it) What do you guys think? Is there anything else that's a good idea to consider for theft/vandal resistance. Also, I've actually considered rigging up a digital camera system concealed in the woods and set to take pictures of the loader if certain sensors are triggered. I guess that sounds kind of James Bondish, but actually quite doable with current technology (and inexpensively too). Anyone in a similar situation? if so, what do you do?

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gm

12-06-2003 22:50:44




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 Re: Engine/fuel disabling devices for theft/vandal in reply to Sean, 12-04-2003 08:04:05  
Just take the battery out. if its out in the middle of no where, anything can be easily bypassed. You will most likely need to charge the battery before use anyways. Of course, for loading, the tractor doesnt really need to be started. A good thief, will prob have a good winch :) I think the lojack idea is the best, where there is a transmitter installed so the item can be located if it is stolen. Not sure how much that costs but depending on your machine, might be worthwhile. As for deer cams, they are only ~$70 now. Maybe rig it up to a car battery so it doesnt run out of juice. -Greg

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Officer McRuff

12-05-2003 00:51:47




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 Re: Engine/fuel disabling devices for theft/vandal in reply to Sean, 12-04-2003 08:04:05  
As "they" say, "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you." Save your money. Remove the battery and one of the cables when you leave the machine out in the boonies. Let your neighbor know that you will always stop by or call him when you plan to go out there to start it up and use it . Ask him to call the sheriff if he ever sees anyone nosing around there and be willing to pay him a reasonable reward if the sheriff catches someone. You only need to plant a few obstacles to discourage most of the morons who would risk their freedom for stealing something worth a few thousand dollars.

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Wayne

12-04-2003 20:01:35




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 Re: Engine/fuel disabling devices for theft/vandal in reply to Sean, 12-04-2003 08:04:05  
Sean, most machines already have many of the features your talking about from the factory except for the alarm system. Electrically all you need is a keyed master switch that breaks the ground on the battery. Place it between the ground post and where ever it ties to the frame, and as long as the switch is placed where the posts can't be jumpered, then there will be no power anywhere on the machine unless the switch is closed to make the system ground. This switch alone removes the need for #1 and #2 since with no system ground it can't be started regardless of anything else you do. This also eliminates the need for #3 since, again, it can't start, fuel or not. If the tractor you get doesn't have one you can purchase them through NAPA, any Cole-Hershey dealer, or any heavy equipment dealer which will have the OEM style for their own equipment if that's the way you want to go. Just remember though, this is only protection against "kids" playing with it. I work on this stuff for a living and have keys to fit probably 90% of the master switches, ignition switches, etc out there because the customer isn't always around when I go to work on something. Unlike cars OEM and aftermarket switches are all basically the same for the sake of simplicity and cost, so if a real pro sees your machine and wants it, I can guarantee you he will have the same keys you do, or be able to get them readily for just a few dollars. Numbers 4-6 are a pretty good idea for vandalisim resistance because sugar in the fuel or oil, liquid poured inthe exhaust or intake,just to name a few are all easy ways to destroy a machine. As for the alarm system, your neighbor is almost 1/4 mile away from where the machine is, so the alarm better be realllllyyyyy loud if you expect him to hear it in the middle of the night when he's in bed asleep. For somebody to steal a machine like this if there isn't a way for them to simply drive it off then they would have to have a road tractor with a trailer to move it. Just my opinion, but somebody driving up in a rig like this and starting up a machine and driving it up on the trailer is gonna be as loud as any alarm your gonna find. If it happens during the day I can bet your neighbor would look up and see it being moved and simply think "Sean must be having somebody move his loader for him" and never even think it was being stolen in broad daylight. Believe it or not alot of equipment is stolen that way nowdays because the equipment owner often has another company do the hauling for him to keep down costs as well as the other hassels of having to own the truck and trailer. So when somebody on a site sees a truck pull in and load a piece of equipment they don't give it a second thought til the owner asks where his equipment is. It's amazing how big a set of "brass ones" some theives have. In this case the camera setup wouldn't be a bad idea if your that concerned about it being stolen, but it would only be good during daylight hours unless you rigged several flood lights to the trips also..... ..... ..It all comes down to the old saying, "The only thing a lock does is keep an honest man honest". If somebody gets the idea they want your machine ot want to destroy your machine no matter how much you lock it up they can still do it. A match in a belly pan full of dry leaves and oil, an icepick/nail through a hydraulic line, just to name a few, are all big things that could really ruin your day and it's stuff you can do nothing to prevent no matter how many locks you use .... The best thing to protect it is another old saying, "Out of sight, out of mind". If you can park it where it isn't readily visible, that's the safest thing you can do for it. If they don't know it's there they won't mess with it..... .Please don't get me wrong on this, I'm not trying to scare you here, just trying to show you how vulnerable every piece of equipment is no matter who's it is or where it is, and there is only so much you can do to protect it, the rest you just have to trust that whoever sees it is as honest and law abiding as you are..... Good luck, Wayne

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Brokenwrench

12-04-2003 11:58:12




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 Re: Engine/fuel disabling devices for theft/vandal in reply to Sean, 12-04-2003 08:04:05  
I would at least install guage protection panels,and locks on ALL fluid compartments. There are key type battery disconnect switches that are available. You didn't say what make or type of loader you have,but many of the manufactures make vandalism protection packages for their machines. If it is a small loader(under 8'tall),you could always buy a used sea container(around $1000 on the east coast) and park it inside of it.

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Guy

12-04-2003 10:32:38




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 Re: Engine/fuel disabling devices for theft/vandal in reply to Sean, 12-04-2003 08:04:05  
I have a hunting shack up north in a remote probem. I keep a few tractors there year round. I haven't had probems with the tractors, but they take everything else the can carry. I started using the motion detector cameras that deer hunters use and have photographed 2 different burgleries which lead to convictions. I would recommend getting the solar powered ones since the battery life is only 21 days. I also have have alarm which dials the phone, which is hooked up to all the doors.

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Sean

12-05-2003 18:13:49




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 Re: Re: Engine/fuel disabling devices for theft/va in reply to Guy, 12-04-2003 10:32:38  
Thanks to all for the great suggestions, much appreciated. Wayne - Great post, the lockable battery terminal switches sounds really good. When the time comes I'll look into getting one. And although my neighbor is quite a distance away, I could hear them banging away quite clearly when they were building their house...so I'm assuming they can probably hear an alarm if it sounds. But then again through closed windows...maybe not. The lot itself is at the dead-end of a mile long gravel road that has several similar 15 acre wooded lots on it (with some houses right off the road, and who usually take notice of any and all traffic). Any potential bold thief would have to drive all the way up the end of the road, start the loader and run it over 300 yards to get to where the truck would be. Then load it up and drive back out the same way. They could do it, but it would be bold indeed. Brokenwrench, thanks for the advice. I don't really know exactly what kind of loader I'm gonna end up with, still shopping. It will likely be fairly old (15-35 years old). But I'll look into a factory theft package when the time comes, hopefully it'll be available for whatever model I end up with. Guy, the motion detecting cameras sound good. I've seen these before and was surprised at how affordable some of these systems are. I had a nice street bike stolen once and I really wanted to know who did it so they could be brought to justice. They never found out who took it, although the bike was recovered all tore up in downtown Baltimore (and all I had was liability ins). I only wish I had a picture of the slimeball who took it, but that's life. McGruff, funny name, I like it. Of course you're right, simple things like battery removal and communicating with my neighbors is probably the best overall deterrent. The only problem is that there are hunters that will often "drift" onto others private property (like mine) without permission. And the ones who do that tend to be not exactly the most law abiding sort anyway. Pot shots and dirt in the tank are possible repercussions for them seeing that I'm getting ready to eliminate yet even more of "their" hunting grounds. Bottom line, I suppose is just make damned sure the thing is insured and do what basic preventative stuff you can do. Otherwise, fahgettaboutit! Thanks again to all...

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