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Question About Ether-Starting my 955L

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Stan

12-29-2003 14:13:04




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I'm about ready to fire up the 955L with it's empty fuel line, and I wonder if I can just crank it with ether until the fuel line fills up?? The loader arm is down, very much in the way, and I can't get a grip on (what appears to be) the hand pump at the fuel pump/fuel filter housing. I thought about trying to raise the arms using just ether, but had second thoughts and didn't do it...would that work, or would that much ether damage the engine? I think I can reach an injector and might be able to loosen it, and I thought maybe I could use compressed air in the fuel tank to force the line to fill. But cranking it with ether would be much easier...if it won't hurt anything. Experts, any advice is appreciated!! Thanks, Stan in So. MO. USA.

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Stan

12-31-2003 11:26:55




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 Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Stan, 12-29-2003 14:13:04  
GOT HER STARTED! NO ETHER! Sorry for the shouting, but It was really exciting to finally get her running again. Once the fuel made it to the injectors, all it really needed was to turn for about two minutes, and it finally sputtered to life, smoothed out in about 30 seconds, and there she was, back to life! So the trickle-charged batteries had enough juice to warm the glow plugs, and to turn her over rapidly for the time needed to fire off. Thanks to everyone who helped with this, you prevented me from making some serious errors...THANKS! Stan in So.MO USA

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Will- Mn.

12-30-2003 04:48:54




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 Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Stan, 12-29-2003 14:13:04  
Stan, i use to rent Case Loaders while working in Texas,when i ran out of fuel i would use a rag soaked in gasoline held over the aircleaner to git her fired up again (after i fueled her up of course)seen too many Bobcat Kubota engines damaged by starting fluid (obviously one or more glow-plugs wern't working and the operator used starting fluid)so i don't like to use starting fluid,but i use it on my Cat D-4 Dozer,but sparingly, just my two cents,hope ya git her goin'n

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John

12-30-2003 17:41:46




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 Re: Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Will- Mn., 12-30-2003 04:48:54  
As a mechanic for over twenty years,eleven at a Cat dealer,I would not advise to use ether to start your engine that is out of fuel. You need to fill your filters and lines and crack an injector line or two to bleed air out. You can use shop air regulated at two or three psi and force fuel in.



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Wayne

12-29-2003 22:23:50




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 Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Stan, 12-29-2003 14:13:04  
Stan, do you have any other machine nearby that you could pick the bucket up with to get the arms out of the way? You should be able to put the lever in float position and pick it up, put the lever back in neutral and block the cylinder to keep everything safe. This would solve 99% of your problem if you could do that. If not no matter what you do you need to try to get at least 2 or 3 of the injector lines cracked open to bleed the air. That in itself will do more good than pressure on the tank, or anything else you can do. As for the ether, it won't hurt if you give it a small snort close to the intake to get it to fire, but personally I'd then switch to WD40 to keep it running long enough to pick up. With the WD40 you will probably have to spray it right in the intake as it isn't quite as flammible as the ether, and takes a little higher doses to do any good. I've seen posts saying the WD40 isn't flammible anymore, but I've never had any problems yet getting it to work for me in recent times. True it won't fire it like ether, but it has always worked for me after the initial ether shot. If you have to use ether the whole time, use it verrrry sparingly. The best way is not to spray it directly into the intake, but to simply give it a shot close enough for it to pull it in. That way it is atomiozed so it does actually fire and not go in in dropplets that tend to cause the famous "ether knock" that happens from over medicating one. I have also seen them started by putting some gas on a rag and laying it on the air filter so it has to suck in some of the fumes to keep it going after the initial shot of ether. I've never tried that way myself but I have seen it done. True there is always a right way and a wrong way to do anything, and using ether to keep one running isn't the right way but when the right way isn't feasible or possible because of whatever condition, you have to do the next best thing, no matter how undesirable it might seem. Good luck, hope you can get the old girl primed without too much more headache. Wayne

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Len Sholes

12-29-2003 19:55:16




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 Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Stan, 12-29-2003 14:13:04  
Stan, I would not recommend you to use starting fluid to try and get your engine going. Ether is only to be used in small dosages to get a cold engine started. I hate to tell you what damage you can do to your engine by using ether. You may have to take the hood off and stand on your head but you need to get to the priming pump and get your fuel pressure built up. You will more than likely have to crack some of the fuel lines to get the fuel to start to flow. It can be done and good luck to you.

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Joseph Turrisi

12-29-2003 18:59:25




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 Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Stan, 12-29-2003 14:13:04  
Yes you can crank it with either I have done this quite a few times. You want to use just enough to keep the engine running until it picks up fuel. Be careful not to either lock the engine by using to much at a time.



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Alvin n Ms.

12-29-2003 16:21:03




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 Re: Question About Ether-Starting my 955L in reply to Stan, 12-29-2003 14:13:04  
Stan, I would loosen a line near the injection pump, and use comp. air in the tank, to get a clear stream of fuel. You will be lucky to get it to prime with just ether. alvinnms



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