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John Deere 350 Reverser Pump

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EdDavet

01-11-2004 06:27:06




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Just rebuilt a 350 reverser and when I test the unit on the bench I get oil bypassing the new front seal on the pump. Does anyone know what the clearances are supposed to be between the pump rotor and housing? Hate to purchase all the new parts if they are within specification. I don't see this info anywhere in the Deere Manuals. Anything else cause this problem besides a bad seal? Thanks for any info.

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jdemaris

01-11-2004 07:01:10




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 Re: John Deere 350 Reverser Pump in reply to EdDavet, 01-11-2004 06:27:06  
What exactly type of test are you doing? I've rebuilt many reversers when I worked as Deere mechanic, but I'm not sure I understand what you're experiencing. I've had pumps with low output, especially as low R.P.M.s but never a bypass problem. Basic "eyeball" test for the pump gear set is to test for wobble of the small gear inside of the larger gear. Obviously, if the pump housing face is scored, it's trash. As far as oil leakage out the front shaft, usual problem is excessive end-play - often VERY excessive due to a trashed center-bearing. The bearing was inadequate in early machines (1010s and early 350s). Deere updated it on newer machines or with updated parts for older machines.

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EdDavet

01-11-2004 07:13:25




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 Re: Re: John Deere 350 Reverser Pump in reply to jdemaris, 01-11-2004 07:01:10  
John, Thanks for replying - rebuilt the reverser - new bearings ect. - adjusted endplay to .002 - put oil in the unit and powered the main drive shaft - got pressure on output line - however had some bypass of fluid past the front seal of pump housing (seal in good condition) - removed the pump housing cover again and there is slight wear to casting mounted on reverser (estimate .002 - .005) also used a straight edge across front housing with gear inside and there appears to be about .030 clearance between impeller and top of housing. Was wondering if there is blowby around the pump impeller thus sending fluid out the front seal. Again, thanks for your informed reply - I do appreciate your experience. Ed

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jdemaris

01-11-2004 09:57:57




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 350 Reverser Pump in reply to EdDavet, 01-11-2004 07:13:25  
I'm going by memory, but .030" clearance sounds excessive. Seems .008"-.010" would be more like it. I'm not sure which pump setup you have. Early machines had a two-piece pump housing with a removable pump cover (that holds the seal) that mounted with a gasket. With this setup wear on the main reverser front cover was not an issue. Later machines had a removable one-piece pump housing with a square-sided o-ring and was held on by four bolts. With this setup, the pump gears turned directly on the machined surface of the front cover. So, with this later setup, the pumphousing is the highpressure sealing surface for one side, and the main front cover is the other. We had reversers that got trashed and the main front cover was scored up. Usually, it could be remachined and smoothed a bit. If the one-piece pump housing was scored, we just replaced it (easy to do, I guess, when you're not the one paying for the parts). Seems it's kind of hard to machine the inside of the housing, and machining the outside - to lessen pump gear clearance, would require remachining the o-ring groove that same amount. In real world situations rather than theoretical, a highly worn housing should be plainly evident, by eye. If it doesn't look worn or scored, and worked okay previously, I'd assume it will continue to be okay. When rebuilding reversers, we always replaced the pump gear sets but only replaced the pump housings when scored. It would be interesting to take a new housing and pump gears and measure it for comparison. That's luxury a mechanic at a dealership has, that perhaps you don't in your shop. Keep in mind also that the input shaft - with .002"-.004" endplay is going to have side-to-side movement until it's bolted to the engine and its stub is riding in the pilot bearing (or bushing in older machines). Another somewhat unrelated issue to make sure the oil orifice is in place (in the output shaft), tight, and not plugged. It very often gets damaged in trashed reversers, and I've seen a few that got new shaft installed where the assembler forgot to put it in. Won't work very well without it.

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