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350B Start problems.

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SteveB

01-12-2004 18:28:00




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Does anyone know were the neutral safety switch is located on the 350B? I am haveing a rough time getting this thing to start. I pulled the dash and checked all connections everything looks good. I checked harness plug and that looks fine. At the key switch I have 1.3V at two of the three terminals. I jumped the start button to rule that out. I need to start her so I can raise the machine to finish final drive I started, now I am dealing with this electrical problem. I can get the starter to crank when I jump solanoid, Just won't run. I definately think it is a problem affecting fuel solanoid start switch ect. Any thoughts on this?

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Hurley J. D.

01-13-2004 06:58:42




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 Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to SteveB, 01-12-2004 18:28:00  
I had a similar problem with my 450B. It just quit running. I looked ever where and checked voltages. I finally found the terminal on the end of the wire on the injector pump was mashed down on top of the pump. Pried it up and it cranked right up.



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bob

01-12-2004 21:31:42




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 Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to SteveB, 01-12-2004 18:28:00  
best I recall neutral switch is on the right hand side of the transmission as you sit in seat. Two wires go forward to engine wiring harness. A break in either wire will stop it from starting. Are you out of fuel?



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Steveb

01-13-2004 04:47:32




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 Re: Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to bob, 01-12-2004 21:31:42  
No The fuel is the first thing I checked. I ran the ready heat on to warm things up as well. I am not getting the motor to crank or do anything pushing the start button. I have to jump the starter w a screwdriver to get it to crank.



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Mark

01-12-2004 20:10:24




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 Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to SteveB, 01-12-2004 18:28:00  
Steve, I had a stick come up and snag a wire that connected to the fuel pump. I think it was a ground, but I can not recall for sure. It just quit running on a hillside. A little electrical tape and 2 hours later I was pushing brush again.



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SteveB

01-13-2004 04:51:12




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 Re: Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to Mark, 01-12-2004 20:10:24  
The wire that goes to the injecter is fine/ With no breaks. Can I make a test jumper to the injecter pump W/ 12 volts? and see if it will run?



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jdemaris

01-13-2004 05:26:05




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 Re: Re: Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to SteveB, 01-13-2004 04:51:12  
Yes, the pump shut-off solenoid does not care where it gets its 12 volt power from. Older 350s didn't even use one. The 350 wiring system is pretty simple (famous last words?). Bad or disconnected neutral-safety switch will affect cranking, but not running. If the wiring is original, main battery power for the machine comes from the big post on the Delco starter solenoid (8 or 10 gauge wire). I'm going by memory, so I might miss few items, though . . . That main power lead, as well a other wires, go to the main wire harness connector under the hood - right at the hood seam by the cowl. That connector is where we had most of our electrical problems. On many of them, we just cut wires and bypassed the connector. From there power goes to the BAT terminal of the ignition switch (on some machines there might be a 30 amp circuit breaker in between). When the key is turned on, the IGN terminal is energized, and power flows to the start button. Somewhere at this point - either just before or after the switch, power runs through the neutral safety switch on the gear-transmission (not reverser). It then finds runs back through the main harness connector and down to the S terminal on the Delco solenoid. The power to the S terminal on the Delco solenoid has a long length to travel. Although it's a fairly low amperage draw for a diesel starter, the 10-15 amps or so is enough to cause trouble when dirty connections show up, the ignition switch goes bad, etc. Testing at certain points with a voltmeter won't do you much good unless you're testing it while under a load - i.e. in this case with the ignition switch turned on and holding the start button in - you then look for a voltage drop. Although not necessary, you can make the system more reliable by installing a small starter relay (cost about $8). Then let the wire that now goes to the Delco S terminal go to this relay instead - thus letting the relay carry the 10-15 amp load instead of the ignition switch, start button, and neutral safety switch. Relay will draw about 2 amps. It's simple to do; it's standard on large diesel powered units.

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SteveB

01-13-2004 17:04:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to jdemaris, 01-13-2004 05:26:05  
Thanks fellas, I will make a test jumper and see if it will run w/12 V feeding injector. I will also cut out that connector and butt splice those wires to rule that out too.



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Mark

01-13-2004 17:20:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 350B Start problems. in reply to SteveB, 01-13-2004 17:04:03  
Steve, Let us know what it was. thanks



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