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Old D4C for collection but needs infos....!

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Fred

01-31-2004 16:09:31




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Hi guys! I am on to buy a D4C but I need your help. Indeed the owner who has it for sale does not know anything about it! Its a dozer, its yellow (ok thats a real Cat) and that is it !!! I would like to know its power, weight, parts availability and year of manufacturing. To help u, it starts thanks to a small petrol engine and then runs on a 4 cylinders Diesel. He thinks it is was made around the 70's but someone told him it was a pre 63 model, any idea? I would like to restore it and use it as an conversation piece and to do small jobs on the our ranch, so can I still fine parts? Oh yes, to help u identifying it,the plade is on a big frame that looks like a big U operated by two big hydrolic jacks parallel to the ground.Finally he asked me 1500$ for it, it has not run since at least 10 yrs but is not stuck, does it looks alright? Thanks for your help and a nice Sunday. Fred

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Billy NY

02-01-2004 11:25:24




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 Re: Old D4C for collection but needs infos....! in reply to Fred, 01-31-2004 16:09:31  
Will try to keep this short 1. Get the serial number & indentify the tractor 2. Undercarriage condition is important, the only way to determine how much it is worn, is by measuring all the components & comparing the measurements to what the components were when they were new, determine a percentage of how much as been worn off the parts. Consult & find someone who knows how to measure an undercarriage, knows crawlers etc., it's worth it to avoid getting a crawler you don't want or envision doing extensive repairs to. It's really not that difficult to measure the U/C (undercarriage)& compare the results to new specifications for that serial number machine. I will post a link where you should be able to get the specifications for the U/C. Measuring by eye will not determine how much life is left in the U/C which dictates how much use you will get out of it before its going to need replacing. Measuring may also help determine if you have other options to get some more hours out of the existing U/C, they are expensive to replace, may exceed the value of the tractor, but you won't know the true condition unless its been measured correctly. 3. Final drives: If the sprocket is loose on the shaft, ( you can check with a good size pry bar to see if it has play ) you may want to have a closer look, run a magnet inside the case, down to the bottom, like the kind you can get an auto parts store for retreiving dropped obhjects. If you come up with metal shavings, pieces, there may be repairs needed. 4. Hard to judge a motor that does not run and brakes, steering clutches etc., so have to keep that in mind. If it has not been abused, worked excessively hard, poorly maintained, caterpillar made some durable tractors then, so its a judgement call. On a positive note it's best to really give a crawler a good inspection, so you know what you are getting, so not to steer you off, if both motors run ok, got some hours left on the U/C, and no other major mechanical work is needed, you could get quite a bit of use out of it. 5. If you do buy it, get the servicemans reference book and parts book for that serial number tractor, it will help you immensly. E-bay, Midland Press, Cat Legendary literature are good places to find these. Not all re-print quality is the same. 6. Also if you do buy it, the little gas starting engine can be tempermental if not taken care of properly. One thing to be aware of, make sure the oil never gets thinned out by gas seeping from the carb into the crank case, by either running it out after you turn off the valve or draining the carburetor bowl. It won't last long running on contaminated oil. So much for being short ! Heres the link to the Antique Caterpillar Machinery Owners Club

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Fred

02-01-2004 14:46:50




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 Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but needs infos.... in reply to Billy NY , 02-01-2004 11:25:24  
Whoua! Thanks a lot for all these infos and I am sure they will be usefull. Just one question but crucial: What do u mean by undercarriage? Is it the set of tracks with their junction that u measure to see if they have increased a lot from new meaning their worn out? Thanks for this last answer and I let u know it is really! Have a nice week, Fred



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Billy NY

02-02-2004 06:36:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but needs infos in reply to Fred, 02-01-2004 14:46:50  
Yes Fred, tracks and their components, such as drive sprockets, ( rear ) upper carrier rollers, (top middle) front idlers ( front end of track frame) and bottom rollers ( on bottom ) Your track consists of track links, (also known as track chain or rails ), Grouser shoes ( track pads bolted to the links ) and your pins/bushings ( they go through your links and mate to the sprocket ) I just stumbled on some useful information that someone posted on the Antique Caterpillar Machinery Owners Club, in regards to measuring undercarriages on caterpillar tractors, this should be helpful in understanding the track components, what needs to be measured & checked. I have not done a search here to see if anything comes up on the subject. If you run into something you are not sure about, suspect, or would like to look further into as far as the tractor you are looking at, get the serial number from the metal tag on the back and or left side of the engine block (usually in 2 places) and ask a detailed question on the ACMOC site, some very knowlegable & helpful people there, its an excellent resource for anyone involved with old caterpillar machinery Here's the link to the post about undercarriage measuring, someone took photos out of a book, this should be helpful.

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Fred

02-02-2004 11:21:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but needs i in reply to Billy NY, 02-02-2004 06:36:40  
Thanks a lot Billy, sure it will be usefull! Have a nice day, Fred



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aljorge

02-08-2004 17:17:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but nee in reply to Fred, 02-02-2004 11:21:57  
D4C 52 drawbar hp 65 flywheel hp. 44" or 60" track gauge, weight 11,895 lbs 60". What you described with the 2 arms going back might be a no. 4 tool bar, it could be reversed to make a dozer. It also had a reverser transmission and oil or dry clutch. It replaced the 7U D4 and was replaced by D4D. You should be able to find the parts to install direct start.



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Billy NY

02-02-2004 18:38:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but nee in reply to Fred, 02-02-2004 11:21:57  
No problem Fred, I was glad to stumble onto that post on the other site, good timing !!! Good Luck !!



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Ken Money

02-06-2004 20:18:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but in reply to Billy NY, 02-02-2004 18:38:49  
Parts are available! I just went completely through a 1946 D4 & had NO PROBLEM of getting any of the parts though the local cat dealer. Even I was amazed. GOOD LUCK



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Midniterambler

01-31-2004 16:35:24




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 Re: Old D4C for collection but needs infos....! in reply to Fred, 01-31-2004 16:09:31  
D4C,1959-1963, 63 hp, 12,000-14,000 lbs. depending on equipment. Check the undercarriage, as many repairs in this area can exceed the value of the machine. An excellent example could bring $6000-8000, so it's definely worth investigation. During their day, they were the standard to be measured up to.



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SCJim

01-31-2004 16:26:17




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 Re: Old D4C for collection but needs infos....! in reply to Fred, 01-31-2004 16:09:31  
$1500 is WAY TOO MUCH if it won't even run! You may have to put a bunch of money in the engines and you still won't know if the steering clutches are worth a hoot. I bought a D6 of the same vintage for $700 and drove it on the trailer. Just so you'll know, the serial number plate should be on the left side of the rear case, just below the fuel tank. The # is also stamped underneath the plate if the plate is gone. Hope that helps.

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Fred

02-01-2004 02:31:33




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 Re: Re: Old D4C for collection but needs infos.... in reply to SCJim, 01-31-2004 16:26:17  
Ok,thanks to the 2 of u for your hepl. I will go and see it and let u know his state. Have a nice day, Fred



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