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help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!!

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Mike

02-04-2004 06:36:14




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Hello, I really need some help. I have a TD-340 dozer in my barn which I am unable to start since the weather got cold (about 20 degrees). I have no way of getting continuous electricity to the dozer for a heater. I don't know what to do. It turns over and the fuel is not geled (at least I don't think so). I even tried a couple shots of either/starting fluid. It wanted to start once and spit and spuddered but shut off. Please Help.

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JD in da UP

02-12-2004 09:10:54




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
Twenty degrees isn't all that cold to have trouble starting. Try to make sure eveything is right with the engine before next winter like Sean mentioned. I've heated in much colder weather by putting a coleman fueled camping stove undere the engine. It might start a grease and oil fire, but if your machine isn't a real mess it should heat it up just fine. That and lot's of cca in your battery and jumpere battery should start it in below zero. A logger friend of mine put quick disconnects like for hydraulic lines on his truck and skidder and hooked the two together in the morning and idled the truck for 20 minutes or so while he had coffee or took care of other business. One warning, set the parking brake on the truck!!!

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Mike

02-05-2004 03:57:42




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
Thanks for all the help everybody. I will definitely be trying a few tricks this weekend.



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Oldfarmboy Jim

02-04-2004 21:42:05




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
How long has it been since it last ran? How often would you use it, if it would start reliably? If you have a good battery with lots of cranking power AND each glow plug is working properly, 20 degrees is not an obstacle to normal starts. But, the longer it hasn't run the more likely it is to develop water in the fuel system and prevent starting. -Open the fuel tank drain and see how readily the fuel flows out. Is ice blocking the drain? -If you don't think the fuel is gelled, then you probably did not use a diesel fuel conditioner with the capability to prevent gelling? If not, start right there and follow the instructions for de-gelling the fuel in the tank. -Check the fuel filter (remove it, visually inspect) and drain at least a couple of ounces from the cannister. -If you haven't run it for awhile and it's been sitting with the throttle fully closed, the metering valve ( which is the valve that shuts the engine off) may be stuck closed by crud or corrosion. The valve is opened by a small weak spring when the throttle is opened. If the valve is stuck, the spring will just stretch without having enough force to open the valve. You can check the valve by taking the top off the injector pump, operating the throttle and watcing to see if the valve is moving. If not, nudge it free with a screwdriver and then work the throttle full range until the valve moves freely. Whenever I shut down my TD 340, I open the throttle again about 1/2 inch to be sure it can't stick in the closed position. -Finally, I would ALWAYS jump start the beast in the winter time to be sure I had the power to crank the engine fast enough to get a quick start. Run it for at least 30 minutes, twice a week. -If none of the above helps the situation, sell the durn thing and move to the Sunbelt. Life's too short to stand around shivering and hoping a piece of cold iron will cooperate and start up in the middle of a blizzard. GOOD LUCK with it, Jim

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Mike

02-05-2004 03:50:59




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 Re: Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Oldfarmboy Jim, 02-04-2004 21:42:05  
Thanks Jim, I did use a fuel stabilizer but it has been several weeks (maybe a month) since I ran it last.



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bdeerehunter

02-04-2004 18:56:12




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
This may sound strange but if your machine is up on timbers (which it better be this time of year up there!)Try a small kerosene heater under the belly for about half an hour I think you'll be suprised. Good Luck



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clyde

02-04-2004 16:21:36




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
Hey Mike, what about changing the oil to synthetic type, it sure helped my old land rover. also keep it up on planks or you may wish it never did start. I wonder if anyone else has experience with synthetic oil? good luck, let us know. Clyde



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JD dozer mike

02-04-2004 16:15:13




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
Does it have a water block heater , if you can get your hands on a generator you could plug it in for a few hours and warm the water in the block. You can get the Katz water heaters at napa they go in-line the water hoses , seem to work good , finally put one on my Detroit 2-53.



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Sean

02-04-2004 14:58:05




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
One more thing I forgot...if you really, REALLY need to get it running, then here is a tip an ex-farmer from Maine told me he did once to get his dozer running in a winterstorm (Maine style). He said he drained the oil out and took it home...then put it on the woodstove and heated it up really good. Then took it back out to the dozer and put it in. VRROOOMM!! it started up! Obviously that's pretty inconvenient, but sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures!

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Sean

02-04-2004 14:49:01




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
I have an IH 150 loader (similar to TD9B dozer) and I also had problems getting my machine running once it got below, say 28 deg F or so. What I was told is that under absolutely no circumstances should you use ether (by most experts). First off, the ether will burn out your glowplugs VERY quickly. Although I used ether on my machine (very lightly) before I learned about this, and it did not appear to burn them out. Secondly, it can really hammer the valves, heads and pistons/rings. Although it seems that a lot of people use ether sparingly and get away with it on a regular basis...but with the old machines I would be really careful about using it. Personally, I am not using it anymore, but some old expert may advise you otherwise, so to each his own. You should check your glowplugs to ensure they are all working. Make sure your glowplug meter goes all the way to the position it should go to if all glowplugs are operational (i.e. not burned out). Then remove the wires that connect to each glowplug one at a time and see if it changes the meter reading when you hold down the glowplug button. Do this for each one (reconnecting the previous one as you move to the next one), and check the meter reading. The meter reading should change (read lower) as you disconnect each glowplug. If it remains the same, then it is likely that glowplug is burned out. Check the resistance across the glowplug terminals and if you read a dead open, it's likely fried and needs replacement. After you make sure the glowplugs are all working properly, my manual says to hold down the glowplug button for at least 2-3 minutes during really cold weather. So make sure you hold it down for a good while before cranking. And make sure you continue to hold the glowplug button down during cranking and until all cylinders are firing and running well. I heard that preheating the air can really help too. I tried removing my air cleaner and putting a propane torch into the inlet during cranking, but it really didn't seem to make much difference. I doubt it was really preheating the air much. I was thinking about building a tube with a heater in it that would really heat up the air before being directing it into the intake. A device like this would probably really help, but I haven't tried it yet. Also, if your battery is marginal, then get a new one with mega-amps....you'll need it. Maybe even consider running two batteries in parallel if you live in a cold climate (although a high output alternator will likely be necessary in the long run). The glowplugs, the mollasses oil and the fact that these motors really need to be spun before they will fire (in the cold) makes plenty of cold cranking amperage critical. That's about all I know, hope it helps. Oh, also be careful trying to break your tracks free when they are frozen to the ground and/or have frozen mud/water in them. After all this hassle, I just decided to not bother with my machine until the weather is better and its a bit warmer and drier. Good luck, Sean

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billy ray

02-04-2004 10:36:22




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 Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to Mike, 02-04-2004 06:36:14  
i know this sound strange , but i spent a few years up north and we used to leave our stuff running during the winter . fuel cost aint bad if its just idleing . i had a chevette diesel that ran for 6 mos cause of a bad flywheel . yes i did stop it to change the oil , then push start it still hot .



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greg

02-04-2004 17:28:13




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 Re: Re: help cold starting td-340 PLEASE!!!!! in reply to billy ray, 02-04-2004 10:36:22  
I once saw a fellow put a "weed burner" propane torch in the exhaust pipe of his log skidder on cold winter days for 10-20 minutes. Apparently warmed the head enough to promote combustion. FYI



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