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Crawler or 4WD?

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Steve Jones

02-06-2004 10:51:10




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I am trying to decide whether to look for a track loader w/ attached backhoe (e.g. JD 455) or a 4WD loader/backhoe; I want to do some general clearing, stump digging, creek bank clearing, foundation / driveway digging, etc. that is common to a small farm/homstead operation. Can someone give me the general pros/cons of these two options, for the type of work described above? I know that a crawler will be stronger in the dirt, and will push "harder" on the bucket end, but will a 4WD machine be overall better in the long run (e.g. no undercarriage issues to maintain)? For working on sloping hillsides, which backhoe option would be more stable? Thanks Steve

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TimV

02-06-2004 12:01:41




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 Re: Crawler or 4WD? in reply to Steve Jones, 02-06-2004 10:51:10  
Steve: The archives of this forum have a couple of long discussion threads relating to this subject, and these make for worthwhile reading. The "executive summary" is that tracked machines will push harder in most soils, but are more expensive to purchase and maintain. Wheeled loaders are more versatile, but not as good for pure pushing, plus they lack adequate flotation for working in some soil types. I would tend to lean toward a 4WD loader setup over a tracked loader for general use, but as Sean mentioned, they typically command a premium price. Depending on exactly what you are planning to do (and how much you want to spend) a small-mid-sized (50-75 HP) 2WD Tractor/Loader/Backhoe setup might work for you as well. These are considerably less money (in terms of both initial purchase price and maintenance) than a 4WD TLB, and can be quite useful if you're not doing a lot of hard digging or loader work.

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old

02-06-2004 11:18:32




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 Re: Crawler or 4WD? in reply to Steve Jones, 02-06-2004 10:51:10  
A back hoe on tracks is more stable, and it will go where a tired one will not. Both have there good and bad points. I have and have had crawlers and large loaders and they both have there place, but if could only have one it would be a crawler because of the fact that it will good where rubber will not.



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Sean

02-06-2004 11:18:21




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 Re: Crawler or 4WD? in reply to Steve Jones, 02-06-2004 10:51:10  
Steve, I recently purchased a tracked loader to log, clear and put in a driveway for my 15 acre lot. I strongly considered a 4WD backhoe because they are so versatile and useful. But once I found out how much they are (good used ones $16k and up), I decided to go with an old crawler loader with a 4-1 bucket (which I bought for less than half the price I would have paid for a decent 4WD backhoe). Since I bought the loader I haven't regretted that I didn't buy a wheeled backhoe. The loader is incredibly versatile, it dozes, digs up stumps, supports trees while I cut them, drags giant oaks in the mud, pushes trees over and hasn't gotten stuck...yet, anyway! Although it did blow a hydraulic line, which kinda sucked. But overall it just has mass and POWER that the backhoes do not have...and I've put it to good use so far with the big trees I've had to deal with. As a matter of fact my neighbor rented a big late model JD 4x4 backhoe for $1000/week and was using it at the same time me and brother first started using my loader. He was using it to dig up stumps and drag a few trees. I wasn't watching him very much because I was busy on my own lot, but I know he hung it up really good. Apparently it took him quite a while to get it unstuck. The soils in our area are pretty soft, especially when it rains or snows. Of course he was an amateur operator and probably not that proficient at using the hoe...but then I'm a novice at 'loadering' too, and my machine did not get stuck. Another neighbor of mine has one of those smaller (30 hp) YinMa (sp?) 4x4 hoes and he hung his up too. Plus his ability to dig out stumps and pull logs is definitely limited. But I think once you have the heavy stuff out of the way, the hoe definitely is way more practical. One thing that stinks about the loader is that after my driveway is paved, I cant use it to plow snow anymore. Even driving the loader down our dirt/gravel access road can be a hassle because when you turn (90 deg or so) it chews everything up. Plus if you live in an area with pretty firm soils and not a lot of rain, then the hoe would be more attractive. The hoe overall should be cheaper to maintain and transport too. Once I get all my heavy stuff out of the way, I'm probably going to sell the loader and get a smaller 4x4 hoe for general maintenance. But for now, Im thankful to have my big ole tracked loader...its an awesome machine!

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