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hey Lavoy, 420 C question

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Jim in michigan

03-15-2004 07:11:43




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My 420 doesnt have a reverser,,what kind of job would I be looking at to put one in and what would I spend on a used one? Thanks,,,,Jim




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jdemaris

03-15-2004 19:39:29




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 Re: hey Lavoy, 420 C question in reply to Jim in michigan, 03-15-2004 07:11:43  
As the other guy alluded to, they weren't very rugged. When I worked for a Deere dealer back when the 420s - 440s were being used more as work machines rather than collector/play machines, we had quite a few customers bring their crawlers in to have the reversers removed and bypassed because they gave so much trouble. I kind of wish now I'd saved all the good parts we threw out. I don't recall exactly when the changes were made, but generally speaking, the 420s had a set of little gears that made up the reverser, i.e. you were still shifting/clashing gears to go from forward to reverse and you were supposed to come to a full stop before shifting. Then, somewhere along the line - maybe with the 430, Deere offered a much heavier reverser that had wet clutch packs for forward and reverse with over-center locking pressure plates. They held up a lot better and could be shifted on the go. For reasons I don't remember, we removed a lot of those too and threw them in the garbage. When the hydraulic reverser came out in the 1010 they had something good. It remained virtually unchanged from the 1010 and all through the 350 and 400 series.

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Bernie in MA

03-15-2004 14:17:32




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 Re: hey Lavoy, 420 C question in reply to Jim in michigan, 03-15-2004 07:11:43  
Hi Jim, when I bought my first 420 new in 1959 it came with a reverser.First of all the first ones then were not too good like the later ones. Mine is actually a '57 by the serial#. I used it mainly for backing up to reset the 3-bottom plow when it tripped on a rock and I only plowed about 15 acres a year. I think the tractor was about 2 years old when the reverser wouldn't stay in reverse. The dealer I bought it from advised me to leave it in forward. I wired the lever to the hydraulic valves and never moved it again. I haven't tried the reverser in the "new" '56 and don't plan to.

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Jim in michigan

03-15-2004 15:20:25




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 Re: Re: hey Lavoy, 420 C question in reply to Bernie in MA, 03-15-2004 14:17:32  
Bernie,,I just hate having to shift from 2nd to reverse all the time,,when I am working alot it gets tiresome and seems like it would cause a lot of wear on the transmission,,,I never use low gear,,just 2nd and reverse, to afraid to use the higher gears, used them once and it was faster then I felt the old girl should go lol...Jim



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Bernie in MA

03-15-2004 16:59:13




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 Re: Re: Re: hey Lavoy, 420 C question in reply to Jim in michigan, 03-15-2004 15:20:25  
I didn't think there was that much to be gained with the reverser. If I was plowing in third (out of 5) then it backed up too fast to reset the plow, so I used the tranny. I figured it would be most useful with a loader, which I've never had. When digging rocks or rooting out brush I use first, which is too slow backing to get another "bite" or at a different angle. What do you do with yours? Did you get your binding up problem solved? Bernie

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Jim in michigan

03-16-2004 05:58:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hey Lavoy, 420 C question in reply to Bernie in MA, 03-15-2004 16:59:13  
I use my pushing dirt, and brush and such, I used it last summer to push sand up into a pil so I could load it with the tractor,,we havd a small sand pit on our property and since i need sand for the pole barn we used the dozer to make the pit deeper and bigger,, tractor loader doesnt dig so great into the ground,,the dozer cut the sod and made the pit bigger and helped a lot,, I use it clearing brush and cleaning the waterways on the property, as well as pushing snow,,I havent tried it again to see if it still binds up,,its still cold here with roughly 4 feet of snow,,,Jim

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