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Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD

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Wingnut

03-15-2004 07:50:09




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Almost Have engine completely install...www.safewerks.com/pic7.JPG....Not quite sure on Proper positioning of Isolator assembly on flywheel.Do the springs need to be pre loaded to one side or the other.Plate will turn clockwise or counter clock wise til springs stop travel.What are things to watch for in mating engine to reversor as far as Isolator assembly and spider shaft go.Thanks for all imput


Wing

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jdemaris

03-15-2004 19:59:20




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 Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD in reply to Wingnut, 03-15-2004 07:50:09  
If money was no object, I'd say change the damn thing over to the later setup the 350Ds and on use - or the old and first style the 1010s used. We had a fleet of rental 350s (up to the 400 series) and the 350Cs and back were constantly blowing isolators. I had to go on top of a 20 story building once in New York City and put one in. The crawler had been brought up in pieces and assembled on top of the building, so I had to work on it there. The 1010s had a good setup, but then the 350s used the bad setup you've got, and then later, with the 350Ds and up, Deere got smart and got rid of it - changed over to a big piece of solid rubber as I recall. Anyway, make sure the facing is still on the isolator plate - it's glued on and looks like brake lining material. If it's gone, the springs will be too loose. When assembling, use lots of Loctite on all the bolts, anchors, and clips. Make sure all the springs are new, or like new and there is no wear on the anchors or clips, etc. When tightening the anchor bolts on the flywheel, make damn sure the clips stay in alignment - once tightened the centerline of each clip must be pointing to the center of the flywheel. Also - something that was told to us over and over by Deere engineers - but I don't know if it appears in the service manual. I don't remember which way the flywheel turns when you are looking at it, i.e. clockwise or counter-clockwise - but here's the deal accoring to Deere. When the anchor bolts and anchors are pressing against the spring hooks on the outside - perimeter of the flywheel -in the direction of engine rotation - they must be pushing into the closed part of the spring hook - i.e. not into the open end which will tend to spred the hook and sometimes either break it or jam it against the reverser-case housing. One good thing I'll say about those torsional-isolators, I've bought a couple of 350 crawlers cheap because the owner's thought the engine was blown/seized - and all it was, was a few broken isolator springs jammed in the housing.

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Pete/ME

03-16-2004 03:55:04




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 Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD in reply to jdemaris, 03-15-2004 19:59:20  
You've got me going. I rebuilt the engine in my straight 350 crawler last fall. Replaced the springs and bolts in the torsional isolator, and bolted the thing back on, but don't remember any clutch facing. I've got a reverser. Didn't get a chance to run the thing except to free up the steering clutches (took them apart to clean them and had JD put the finals back together), back and forth in front of the barn. The only thing I remember is sort of a clunking sound when I turned the thing off. Except for the broken springs, there was no debris in the bottom of the housing. The JD parts site shows the part "discontinued" and no picture. Do you know where else I could get a look at the set up? Thanks.

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Pete/ME

03-17-2004 03:13:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD in reply to Wingnut, 03-16-2004 07:17:03  
Wow, mine doesn't look anything like that. It's two steel disks about 10" dia. sandwiched together with four sets of two nested springs in slots inside the disk sandwich.???



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jdemaris

03-17-2004 06:23:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 35 in reply to Pete/ME, 03-17-2004 03:13:25  
Sounds like you have the early setup; same as what was used on the 1010 crawlers. It held up better than the later "improved" setup on the late 350s on up through the 350C series.



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Wingnut

03-17-2004 05:11:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 35 in reply to Pete/ME, 03-17-2004 03:13:25  
Pete...

According to the book you have what they call the driven disk assembly,Looks like theres two setups for a 350 with reversor.

Wing



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jdemaris

03-16-2004 10:02:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD in reply to Wingnut, 03-16-2004 07:17:03  
I looked at your photo. Again, I don't remember if, as you look at the photo, if the flywheel rotates clockwise or counter-clockwise. I'm too lazy to go out in the snowstorm and check one of my crawlers. The way the outside spring hooks are insalled in the photo, it is correct for the flywheel turning counter-clockwise as you look at it. Also, I notice the bright circular wear area on your flywheel that just appears around the outside circumference of the isolator plate - that's the area where the brake-lining material rides on the flywheel. It's around 1/8 or 1/4" thick and is or was glued to the plate facing towards the flywheel. I don't think I've ever seen one wear out, it just plain falls off. Then, the isolator sits too close to the flywheel and the springs are too loose. Also, I don't see the outside spring anchor clips all facing the correct direction, but it's kind of hard to make out in the photo. I CAN say that the Deere boys at the factory didn't always get it right either. Many of the isolator jobs I had to do were on brand new machines with just a couple hundred hours on them.

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Wingnut

03-16-2004 16:02:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 35 in reply to jdemaris, 03-16-2004 10:02:36  
In the manual it does show the spider shaft rotates counter clockwise as you are looking at it in the picture...(if the engine was in the dozer, standing looking at the machine from the front it would be rotating clockwise)..What im not clear on is where do we position the plate before mating it to the reversor..All the way the towards the studs one way or the other ...?? Or half way in between the studs..Or does it matter at all...Hope that snow storm subsides..I move from Chicago and know what its like...

Wing

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jdemaris

03-16-2004 05:19:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD in reply to Pete/ME, 03-16-2004 03:55:04  
I don't have a 350 manual or parts book, only a 1010. 1010 used a spring-loaded disk instead of the mess the 350s used. Can't you find someone that has a book if all you want is a blowup? Same setup was used from the 350 up to the 350Cs. As far as the facing goes, it's supposed to be bonded/glued to the isolator plate and is the wear surface where it contacts the flywheel and jerks around when the machine is being used. Not very durable. We threw out tons of perfectly good isolator plates because the lining had broken, or just plain fallen off. In retrospect, what a waste. But that happens sometimes when you work at a dealership. I asked my boss a few times about sending the plates out to get new linings bonded to them - but he didn't want to mess with it. If you're selling new parts and making a certain percentage, and they are warranteed from the Deere , there's little incentive to do anything else. I haven't checked lately, but if Deere insn't even selling the repair parts anymore, that's kind of alarming. Deere shows the newer unit as: "Torsional Isolator AT77319." I was just reading a report from the Department of Natural Resources in Michigan that blew me away. Relates to the John Deere "Certified Relife Program" for small crawlers. In certain places, they don't want crawlers any heavier than the 350-450 series, and found they can't buy new machines anymore (U.S. built, anyway). Seems the smalled Deere makes now is a 450 series that is much heavier than the old 450s. So, they made a deal with Deere to have their older 350 series crawlers (350 up to 400) factory updated and refurbished. Machines get repowered with newer engines, and all kinds of updated parts added. One thing I noticed is they all get the newer isolators like the 350Ds and 400s use. Price posted that Michigan is spending is something like $60,000 per machine. I almost flipped when I read it. I wish I could get the old parts that Deere is removing; wonder where they are going? You can read more about the program at:
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Here's a list of some of the parts/components that are replaced on the 350

ITEMRepower Engine 3 Cylinder 179 CU INTorsional Isolator AT77319Transmission/Steering ClutchAT125953 Steering Clutch (2)AT37548 Hydraulic Reverser ClutchWith ManifoldFinal DriveJD7424(2), JD8100(2), T112784(2)JD8939(2), JD7416(2)T59769(2), AT36097(2), JD9079(2)JD9114, JD9113(2), JD9048(2)Hydraulic Pump AT38801Valve 3 SpoolAT71452Cylinder Seals AR105454(2)Structure BushingAU13822 Pin (2)U11121 Bushing (4)Radiator AT32087Alternator TY161Starter TY6702Sheet MetalT32072 Left SideAT31177 Right SideAT104583 HoodUndercarriageAT104780 Roller (10)T129879 Sprocket (2)AT132705 Idler Roller (2)AT104595 Idler Kit LeftAT104596 Idler Kit RightAT148540 Track with Shoes (2)Push Beam AT58688Blade AT62829 (80 IN)Battery TY21741(2)Engine Wiring Harness AT64568Seat AT105140Fan Belt T24473Lights AT135486(3)Muffler AT21689Hourmeter AT160120PaintMiscellaneous Bearings and PulleysJD400G*CERTIFIED RELIFESPECIFICATIONITEMRepower EngineEngine Clutch AT160474Transmission/Steering ClutchAT125952 Steering Clutch (2)AT125713 Clutch PackAR56620 ManifoldFinal DriveJD7424(2), JD8100(2), T112784(2)JD9049(2), JD9114(2)T112785(2), JD8939(2), JD7416(2)AT117910(2), JD9113(2), JD9048(2)Hydraulic Pump AT15170Valve SealsAT160684AT160683Cylinder Seals RE20428(2)Structure BushingAU13822 Pin (2)U11121 Bushing (4)Radiator/Oil CoolerAT116777 RadiatorAT137547 Oil CoolerAlternator TY6750Starter RE50095Sheet MetalAT125863 Left SideAT125264 Right SideAT125864 HoodUnder CarriageAT104780 Roller (10)T129879 Sprocket (2)AT167258 Idler Roller (2)AT104595 Idler Kit LeftAT104596 idler Kit RightAT148540 Track with Shoes (2)Push Beam AT125207Blade AT116723Battery TY6128(2)Engine Wiring Harness AT161135Seat AT105140Fan Belt R82602Lights AT135486(3)Muffler AT83613Hourmeter AT86509PaintMiscellaneous Bearings and Pulleys* From John Deere Company January 25, 1995.

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Wingnut

03-16-2004 08:11:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Torsional Isolator Assembly 350 JD in reply to jdemaris, 03-16-2004 05:19:37  
Thanks again JDE...Just got off the phone with John Deere...$825.00 for the new setup...$400.00 for the old torsional plate only excluding springs and studs....

Wing



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