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Dick2

03-16-2004 15:16:21

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This was at a tractor show last weekend. I've heard tell about fellas getting hurt if that bar didn't come out when it was supposed to.

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Chuck-WI

03-19-2004 05:53:07

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Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Dick2, 03-16-2004 15:16:21

Last night, WI Public TV showed the 'Old Iron' tractor tape for the fund drive. Same starting w/ a bar ..... looked easy .. but know what you're doing .. followed up with hand cranking an old 'H' ..... same concept .. know how and be safe

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possum

03-17-2004 19:35:42

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Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Dick2, 03-16-2004 15:16:21

It really isn't as bad as it looks for the guy doing the cranking. Note that the holes appear oblong at their top and round at their bottom. They are designed to spit out the bar when the engine turns forward. The problems only occur with a backfire. Unfortunately, the guy doing the cranking is holding it wrong with his right hand. It should pull against his fingers, not his palm, if it turns backwards. The spectator could be in trouble.

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Vern-MI

03-18-2004 13:41:48

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Re: Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to possum, 03-17-2004 19:35:42

What is the procedure? Does he crank it slowly to a position just past TDC on a particular cylinder and then fire that cylinder? What fuel and ignition source is normally used to "fire" the cylinder? Thanks.

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Dick2

03-17-2004 04:43:18

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Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Dick2, 03-16-2004 15:16:21

When I was a kid, I watched them build two miles of road near us with crawlers and elevating scrapers. The old Monarch crawler with the steering wheel always started right up and went to work. Sometimes it took them a whole half a day to get that old 60 CAT started. The 60 had more power than the Monarch - but the Monarch moved a lot more dirt because it ran all the time.

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va. pine knot

03-18-2004 13:36:38

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Re: Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Dick2, 03-17-2004 04:43:18

THE WAY I SEEN IT DONE THE FIRST ONE STARTED WOULD GIVE THE OTHERS A PUSH OR A PULL THEN EVERY ONE WAS HAPPY

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Wayne

03-16-2004 21:34:31

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Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Dick2, 03-16-2004 15:16:21

You know when you look at most all of the old equipment your able to see something that looks really hazardous. Starting an engine this way or with a "normal" old hand crank looks dangerous, heck they used to start plane engines with a twirl of the prop, but when you think about it it looks dangerous mainly because are looking at it based on todays OSHA approved , safe methods. Sure there were people killed hand starting equipment, but in general they always knew what they were doing and it was no big deal. I'd bet if you were to do a true comparison of accidents on newer "safer" equipment as compared to accidents on the old "unsafe" equipment you'd find that percentage wise there are more hurt nowdays than there was back then. I know people who have gotten just as hurt because they did something stupid with a electric started engine as ones who've gotten kicked by a hand crank. True one piece of equipment can be inherently safer than another, but if you know what your doing with both and are careful and alert when operating either one of them your chances of getting hurt are gonna be greatly diminished. In the end it's all about knowing your machine and paying attention to what your doing and not allowing yourself to become complacent and careless..... .Something too many people nowdays don't have the common sense to do..... Just my .02

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Chris Brown

03-17-2004 17:10:35

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Re: Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Wayne, 03-16-2004 21:34:31

Seems like back when there were not as many regulations people had more common sense about safety. Either that or the ones that did'nt are dead and gone. My grandpa had a sawmill that he started by grabbing the blade and giving it a spin,did it for years and never had a problem. Could you imagine osha getting a hold of that today.

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Sean

03-16-2004 18:01:09

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Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Dick2, 03-16-2004 15:16:21

Wow...don't tell me that bar was for starting it?!

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Norm in Alabama

03-17-2004 06:38:14

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Re: Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Sean, 03-16-2004 18:01:09

That bar was called a "CAT BAR". I still have my Dads. The dangerous part was standing in front of the bar while pulling on it. The engine could backfire and throw the bar right at the operator or mechanic. Standing to one side was the only safer way to start the "60". My Dad was not only an operator but also a Cat mechanic.

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marlowe

03-16-2004 18:53:04

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Re: Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to Sean, 03-16-2004 18:01:09

sure is but it's not as bad as it looks. bar is kind of bent on the end so it will pop out and look at where he is standing. he has done this before

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Bob/Ont

03-16-2004 21:10:44

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Re: Re: Re: Interesting, but dangerous in reply to marlowe , 03-16-2004 18:53:04

Ignition timing has a lot to do with it too. I have heard of a big Rummly firing early and throwing a man into the air and killing him.
Later Bob

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