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Correct way to steer this IH dozer?

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Dave

03-27-2004 17:48:15




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Just picked up an IH 500 dozer, nice little machine and doesnt look abused. The steering clutches also have a brake band on the front of them from the looks of the drawing in the service manual I got with the machine and there is a brake pedal on the floor. Right now I have to really pull back on the steering levers hard to get the machine to turn, and I am not using the brake pedal, just pulling back on the levers. Is this correct? The previous owner said I just have to remove the top access plates over the clutches and break loose the balls that are between the steering clutch plates to free things up. Does this sound right? How far should I have to pull back on a lever to make the machine turn, and should I be also using the brake pedal?

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Karen

03-29-2004 02:28:57




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 Re: Correct way to steer this IH dozer? in reply to Dave, 03-27-2004 17:48:15  
When you are ready I know where you can get steering disc's pressure plates and brake bands along with maybe anything else you may need. Just email me and I will send you link



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Steve

03-28-2004 05:27:55




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 Re: Correct way to steer this IH dozer? in reply to Dave, 03-27-2004 17:48:15  
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It is NOT like the TD6's and 9's. The "steering" brakes are operated by pulling the levers. The first 3-4" of lever travel should be free travel. The next 3-4" (approx)of travel should release the clutch. After that the lever should begin to tighten up as the brake band tightens around the drum. With the machine in 3rd gear, moving right along, pull back slowly on both levers at the same time. The clutches should release and the machine should gradually coast to a stop. If it does not then you know they are not releasing when they should. As the machine is coasting to a stop if you pull the levers all the way back it should stop suddenly as the brakes come on. If the levers tighten up and the machine does not stop and the engine begins to labor then you know the brakes are too tight or the clutches are hanging up. DO NOT use the brake pedal when operating the machine. This is only for holding the machine when parked or similar circumstances. The pedal operates both steering brakes at the same time. If you try to use it to steer or slow the machine down while in gear you will only wear the brakes out. I would highly recomend that you get the manuals on this machine if you don't already have them. If you do decide to get them give us a shout. We have some very good quality reprints available. We are also in the parts and service business, So if you are ever in need of any parts let us know. And be sure to visit our website.

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Dave

03-28-2004 16:23:54




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 Re: Re: Correct way to steer this IH dozer? in reply to Steve , 03-28-2004 05:27:55  
Steve,
thanks for the info, looks like you are correct, even though my clutches are not releasing when pulling the levers. Since I have to hold the levers all the way back to steer I must be activating the band brake instead of releasing the clutches. I was told that there are round balls in between the clutch plates that are probably stuck and need to be broken loose for the clutches to release, does this sound correct? If the clutches are locked when the crawler is driving exactly how do they release when the lever is pulled? I do have a service manual for the machine but it really doesnt explain how the clutches work and there is no exploded view of the assembly. Does anyone have a picture they could scan? Thanks for everyones help, it is greatly appreciated. Is that parts machine you have on your web site available for sale complete?

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Sean

03-27-2004 21:25:32




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 Re: Correct way to steer this IH dozer? in reply to Dave, 03-27-2004 17:48:15  
I have an old IH crawler (TD9B with drott loader), and the free play is supposed to be about 4" on the clutch levers (it should state what it is in your operator's manual). I have to pull them back a fairly good distance before making a turn and it takes a little effort to pull them. I don't mean you have to be a bodybuilder, but it isn't one of these modern machines that is steered with a cell phone in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other (i.e. it's 1969 technology, and you have to muscle it to make it go in a certain direction).

And from my experience, my machine really will not turn that easily without using the brakes in conjunction with the clutch levers. However, if you are going up a hill, or pulling a load it will turn well without using the brakes...otherwise it has a very slow turning rate just pulling in clutch alone.

Another thing to remember is that if your machine has dry clutches (which I think the 500 does), then the clutches can and will rust up if they sit too long without use. After they get rusty they can stick and drag, causing hard steering (or no steering at all if it's bad enough). But as long as the clutch plates aren't completely fused, then using the machine in a normal manner for awhile should remove the rust and loosen everything up.

Good luck

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old

03-27-2004 19:00:17




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 Re: Correct way to steer this IH dozer? in reply to Dave, 03-27-2004 17:48:15  
Well if is any thing like a TD-6 you pull the clucth lever for a slow turn and for a sharp/fast turn you also use the brake at the same time.



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