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International TD-5 dozer

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Trev

03-29-2004 01:30:29




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Took a gamble and bought a TD-5 dozer off a local guy for $500. The engine is requiring major repair. But the rest of the machine appears in pretty good shape. (maybe they never run long between repairs?)

Anyways I've always been a bit of a backyard mechanic and am taking this project on as a challenge and since my 14 year old son says he would like to be a heavy equipment operator, I figured now would be a time to take one of these machines apart(and hopefully back together and running).

So the major item is the engine, a DB-144 or DB-154
it has a 3 3/8" bore.
It would appear that the camshaft broke which stopped the oil pump and the owner kept running it on two cylinders until it threw a connecting rod and everything came to a sudden stop.
At least thats my detective work.

So I'm looking at the camshaft, connecting rod,and rod bearings at a minimum up to getting a major rebuild kit (+). I understand the DB-154, 4 cylinder diesel was a common IH engine in its day, but are the parts like a camshaft available??
I don't have a book for it and am just researching things a bit first, wondering which would be the best way to go for the effort and satisfaction. I would love to get it going, but obviously have more time than money to throw at it. My kids and Ex think I've gone nuts but its something I'd like to try and the wrenching will hopefully rub off on the boy.

Are these a dependable machine if I invest in a desent rebuild or should I just try to sell the parts if the engine has this much damage???

I look forward to any advice and will look up your achived postings for more.

Trev.

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Richard Lachance

01-01-2005 21:58:33




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 Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to Trev, 03-29-2004 01:30:29  
searching for international dozer 1960, serial no 1019AG, BLOC # 951609R3, can you help

thank



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t4mike

03-30-2004 16:47:50




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 Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to Trev, 03-29-2004 01:30:29  
they had weak finals and pinions,esp. when used with blade, steering clutches, transmission, rear end and gas engines good. good small draw bar tractor.



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t4mike

03-29-2004 15:04:09




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 Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to Trev, 03-29-2004 01:30:29  
I got a t5 gas engine that i think runs that will go right in there. they used ih power unit 133 or 134 cu.in motor. Gas tractor hood too. the only difference between them are the engines and hoods, maybe radiator, got that too. i got other parts and manuals too. no diesel parts.



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Trev

03-29-2004 22:46:10




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 Re: Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to t4mike, 03-29-2004 15:04:09  
t4Mike,

Thanks for the offer.

I understand that there is the gas and diesel versions of this unit.

I'm just sourcing things at the moment and not sure which way I'll go yet.

Just out of curiosity though, what would an intact/fixable gas engine that fits be going for??

I would be having to deal with a hefty freight bill if I can not find something locally in the Vancouver area in Canada.

Heard of anyone putting any more modern domestic brand engines in these IH crawlers that don't require too many modifications or extra fabrications to make them fit?

Do you know if these are a dependable machine or do they require daily repairs?

Thanks

Trev

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jdemaris

03-30-2004 05:36:57




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 Re: Re: Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to Trev, 03-29-2004 22:46:10  
Like I mentioned in my last response, I think you can buy a brand new bolt in replacement engine from Mahindra. Not sure if it's worth the cost, though. When I was looking for a good used engine block or engine, most that I found were in Canada, not the US. Seems the B series tractors with the BD144 or 154s are much more common there. I didn't buy one because of the freight. Seems your're in a good area to find an engine. A guy near me in New York runs a tractor salvage yard, and he keeps on bringing back the B series tractors from Canada and parting them out.

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jdemaris

03-29-2004 05:29:58




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 Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to Trev, 03-29-2004 01:30:29  
I've got a couple of machines with the Indian/British BD144 and BD154s. BD stands for British Diesel as I recall, but many were made by Mahindra in India. It's been my experience that they're not particularly good engines. Last ones I rebuilt were in a B-275 and B-414 IH farm tractos. I pulled the engines apart and found major internal cracks near the crankshaft webs. So . . . I begen searching for a good used blocks and got an education. Every used block I came across was cracked in the same place, so it must be a weak spot. Finally found an engine just taken out of a B-414 and the block looked perfect. I paid $475 for the bare block, which hurt - but was glad to get it just the same. It was a replacement BD144 block and had the "Central Tractor" or "Value Built" label on it, indicating it was a "rebuilt." When I got done cleaning it, I found that it too was cracked in the same area, and welded, and then covered with bondo and painted. So, the point to all this is - the blocks must be weak. I took the block back to the salvage yard and complained about the cracks being hidden by Bondo. They told me they didn't do it, and perhaps it was Central Tractor. I got $275 refunded back to me, and I used the block - since it was the best I could find. I also noticed that the connecting rods are, more or less, low tech. Usually, rod caps use some method for stabilization, e.g. and i.e. locating dowells, or ridges, or they're fractured at the factory so the caps mate and can't shift. Not on these engines, just a flat surface. Injection parts are expensive too. I searched all over for injection nozzle tips, and the best price I found cost me $300 for four of them. So, to sum things up from my point of view - the engine series is not particularly durable, the diesels are dogs as far as starting goes, parts are very expensive - but when they're right and warmed up and running, pretty good on fuel. Mahindra is currently selling brand new tractors that are 85% original to the tractors they made in the late 50s - early 60s. The engines, though, were dropped. My 1960 B-275 is currently for sale new with a new direct-injection engine. I was told it is a bolt-in replacement for the BD144 or BD154 - but I haven't priced one.

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Karen

03-29-2004 03:14:07




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 Re: International TD-5 dozer in reply to Trev, 03-29-2004 01:30:29  
Trev, I know someone that may be able to help you with parts. Gee, I was with him last week when he bought a T-5 but he has others. I think he said he had a little wheel loader that had a BD-154 motor in it that is stuck from sitting, so may have good crank and rod parts . Email me and I'll send you his link



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