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JD 350B Reverser Problem

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Al Jewett

04-05-2004 11:25:13




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I have a 70's JD350B dozer that I have been using to clean up medium brush and move some dirt around my proerty. This last week while working with the tractor, it would lose power while in reverse. When I move forward with the tractor everything is OK (plenty of power). When I swtich to reverse, the tractor starts moving backwards but then loses power and will not move. Before I start to take anything apart I would like for someone to guide me as to what could be the problem. No oil leaks noted and levels are with-in normal ranges. This tractor has four speeds on the gear shifter (1-4) no reverse. The reverse is on the reverser lever. If someone needs more info on the tractor to give me guidence please contact me. I appreciate any guidence I can get.

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Steve

04-06-2004 04:38:01




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 Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Al Jewett, 04-05-2004 11:25:13  
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Al: I'd check your reverser linkage first. Try going beyond reverse or maybe just short of reverse. If this can't be done due to interference, then check for worn clevis's and clevis pins in the linkage. More than likley it will turn out to be more than just that, but it's a good place to start.

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jdmaris

04-05-2004 19:52:13




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 Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Al Jewett, 04-05-2004 11:25:13  
After reading the other repsonse you received, I'm not sure if I understand your problem. Are you losing engine power when in reverse, or is reverse slipping? Normally, I'd tell you to put the gear-trans. in reverse and the hydraulic reverser in forward, and then see if it backs up. But, you say there is no gear-reverse? Odd, I didn't think Deere starting leaving out reverse until the "C" series, not the "B." If you make things a little clearer, I'll try to give you some diagnostics. I need to know if the engine seems to be lacking power, or reverse is "slipping", or if when you put the reverser into reverse, the machine acts like it's in forward and reverse at the same time and subsequently, does nothing but groan (that's a common problem with the hydraulic reversers). And, does the machine stop okay when you push in the clutch pedal?

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Al Jewett

04-06-2004 03:30:46




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 Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to jdmaris, 04-05-2004 19:52:13  
The problem that I have is that the tractor stops moving backwards when in reverse (slipping). The engine is working fine no problem there. This is a B series and has no reverse in the gears only in the reverser. I didn't notice a "groan" when the tractor stops moving backwards. Yes the tractor stops when I press the clutch pedal. Thanks for reponding.



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jdemaris

04-06-2004 05:35:32




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Al Jewett, 04-06-2004 03:30:46  
Okay, so the reverse function is not working in the hydraulic reverser but forward is functional. The most obvious thing to check is the linkage going to the shifter; make sure it is engaging fully into reverse. Also, is your "rate of shift" screw adjusted properly, i.e. how was the crawler shifter between forward and reverse? Normally, with the crawler at half throttle and the gear trans. in second gear, you should be able to shift from forward to reverse without touching the clutch pedal, and it should be a firm but not harsh shift. If it's adjusted too soft, it could make one of the functions slip. There is a trimmer screw underneath that adjusts like a carburetor jet to increase or decrease the rate of shift. Next, you need to put a pressure gauge into the pressure port in the reverser hydraulic control valve. It's pretty simple. When your sitting in the crawler, it's around where your left foot is. Take a floorboard off and there's there's the valve body. You'll find two 1/8" pipe plugs, probably with an Allen wrench drive. One is the lube/release port and the other is clutch pressure port. As I recall, the one that is closest to the front is the lube/release port, and in some applications it has a sending unit stuck into it to operate an "idiot light", but that's usually when used in 1010 crawlers. Next one back is the clutch pressure port. Stick a 0-300 or something capable of reading 150 PSI into the port. A grease-gun hose hooked to a gauge works nicely. Then, put the crawler's gear transmission in neutral and run the engine at half speed. Observe the pressure when you put the reverser into forward and reverse. Pressures should be equal an over 100 PSI. If you get a an overall low reading, you might be able to shim it up. If you get a low reading in reverse only, you've probably got internal problems, but there are some other things to check first, in the control valve.

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Al Jewett

04-06-2004 14:26:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to jdemaris, 04-06-2004 05:35:32  
To jdemaris, thanks for the info. I will do the the things you said. I have a sevice manual for the tractor and will look up the adjustments that you mention. Just to let you know I asked a JD mechanic about the problem and the only thing he told me was that the reverse clutch packing was bad. He made no metion of the trimmer screw or about shiming it up. What else could be wrong in the control valve?

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jdemaris

04-06-2004 19:33:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Al Jewett, 04-06-2004 14:26:05  
There are many things that can go wrong in the control valve, but there isn't much that will affect just reverse. Only thing that comes to mind is the fork inside the valve that hooks to the spool that puts it in reverse. The fork sits on a pin and can get quite a wear groove in it after a while. The control valve assembly can be removed without pulling the reverser. But, don't get your hopes up. Most of the time (not all, but MOST) the problems are internal. I've worked on many though, that were made usuable again by shimming up the main pressure and opening up the trimmer screw. Sometimes, if a clutch pack develops a bad leak, you can turn up the rate-of-shift so more oil is delivered to offset the leak. It's not a good and proper fix, but sometimes it can buy you a few months or years. And, sometimes it gets you nothing.

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Al Jewett

04-07-2004 03:18:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to jdemaris, 04-06-2004 19:33:40  
To jdemaris, thanks for all the info. Atleast with your info I have some guidence in the right direction. Again thank you very much for your reponse.



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Steveb

04-05-2004 12:21:39




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 Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Al Jewett, 04-05-2004 11:25:13  
Al, first I would check the fuel cock under the seat comming out of the tank. Drain the tank and clean that valve with a peice of wire.Run a new fuel line wile you are at it.I had the same problem with my 350B that plaged me for a couple of years until I found the problem. It's worth a shot.



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Al Jewett

04-06-2004 03:35:34




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 Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Steveb, 04-05-2004 12:21:39  
Thanks for the response, but this is not an engine problem, it works fine. The problem I am having is slipping in the reverse mode. Tractor stops moving backwards, in the forward position I have no problem.



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SteveB

04-06-2004 12:29:53




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to Al Jewett, 04-06-2004 03:35:34  
can you shift trans in reverse



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Al Jewett

04-06-2004 14:36:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350B Reverser Problem in reply to SteveB, 04-06-2004 12:29:53  
Yes I can shift gears in reverse but it makes no difference. The tractor does not move in reverse.



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