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questions about older D7-3T and D7-17A

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andy

04-25-2004 17:15:47




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Looked at a couple of older D7's. The 3T has newer rollers, idlers and rail or chain. Pads are just OK. Basically undercarriage is very good. Told the engine was overhauled and has few hours on it, transmission was replaced with a known good one, brake bands were replaced and steering clutches were good. Was a county owned machine which only pulled a scraper and at one time had a Vee plow for snow removal. Never had a blade on it. Has one now though. Dry clutch was also know to be good. Pony motor doesn't work. Something is stuck. Told that it starts in 10 feet when pulled or coasted. I guess it didn't work for a number of years as the transmission was bad and it sat in the corner of the county lot. A guy bought it and replaced the transmission and it started right up. Cable machine. What is something like this worth? Was told they are easy to repair and parts are plentiful. What about the pony? It is all there. Sounds like it needs taken apart and redone? How much of a job is this?

The other D7-17A not bad looking either. Tracks are worn so the rail bosses hit the rollers. Pads and grousers are like new. Sprockets have been redone so they are now bolt on segments. Starts right up with good pony. No smoke. Previous owner says the cooling system gets pressurized somehow and that it loses coolant. What could this be? What is it worth?

Are these old girls what I want for general work around a farm? Seems like when you consider price, heavy duty, parts ava., and ability to work on them yourself CAT might be the best. Thanks .. andy

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andy

04-26-2004 19:24:53




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 Re: questions about older D7-3T and D7-17A in reply to andy, 04-25-2004 17:15:47  
Thanks for the comments. I have sort of gotten the idea talking to people that an old cat is better than a slightly newer Allis. Many of them built, old parts all over the county and new parts still available.



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Dale Emily

04-26-2004 03:33:50




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 Re: questions about older D7-3T and D7-17A in reply to andy, 04-25-2004 17:15:47  
I'm not really very up on the Cat tractors, but I know that I've seen a few old 17A's around Missouri sell for $4500-8000. The 3T's usually bring about the same or a little less. The coolant pressuring up sounds like either a blown head gasket or a cracked head. Probably not a big deal, but it can be really hard on the engine if it is run very much. If it were me, and depending on price, I would probably go with the old 3T. For me, undercarriage and motor are very important, something I DON'T enjoy having to work on.

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Deas Plant

04-26-2004 12:23:15




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 Re: Re: questions about older D7-3T and D7-17A in reply to Dale Emily, 04-26-2004 03:33:50  
Hi, Andy. One real big consideration here would be if the 17A machine has an oil bath clutch and/or oil steering clutches and brakes. I am not sure when Cat introduced them but I believe it was during the production of the 17A's. None of the 3T's that I operated ever had them. The oil bath clutches and brakes were among the smartest moves Cat ever made, extending the lives of these components dramatically.

The 17A machine may also have a turbo as they were introduced somewhere in that production run.

That pressurised cooling system will be either a head gasket or a cracked head on either the pony or the main. To discover which, fill the radiator right to the top and, with radiator cap still off, start and run the pony for 30 seconds to a minute without turning the diesel and look for bubbles coming up in the radiator water. If no bubbles are seen, engage the pony pinion and clutch and have it turn the diesel for 3 or 4 minutes with no compression and continue to look for bubbles. It is not a good idea to run the pony for very long without turning the diesel because the pony relies on the diesel's water pump for coolant circulation.

If still no bubbles are seen, start the diesel, shut down the pony and continue the search with the diesel running at a bit above low idle until the diesel gets to around operating temperature. This is because these leaks sometimes don't show until the engine has warmed up which is also the reason for running the pony turning the diesel without compression for several minutes - to allow the pony to warm up.

Hope this helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Doug in IL

04-26-2004 13:00:23




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 Re: Re: Re: questions about older D7-3T and D7-17A in reply to Deas Plant, 04-26-2004 12:23:15  
The oil clutch was made standard equipment on D7 3T's starting with Serial number 3T23647. This would have been about mid year of the 1953 models. There was also a retrofit kit to add it to earlier models. About the same time, early in the 1954 year, the D7 was give a 10 horsepower increase. This began with Serial number 3T25310. I have a '54 model with the oil clutch.



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Deas Plant.

04-27-2004 02:17:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: questions about older D7-3T and D7 in reply to Doug in IL, 04-26-2004 13:00:23  
Hi, Doug. Thanks for that. I musta gotten stuck with all earlier models of 3T's in my younger days. I can still remember replacing canvas shock links and adjusting the clutch on those dry clutch machines.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.



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