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Anthony

05-10-2004 19:41:35




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Hello,
I have some property that I need to do some landscaping on. I have been looking for a good used bulldozer with a 6 way blade, but I have not found much that I like. I did see one, JD 350x, I don know if it was a b or c, real good shape, 3100 hrs, new undercarriage, for about $14K. I think it might be a little bit high. But I was wondering what does a new machine cost, komatsu, JD, etc. I don't know the cost of new machines, I don't if I am better off spending a little more and get something more reliable. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

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Billy NY

05-12-2004 19:25:18




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
I just rented a new Cat D-4G for $375/day+fuel. They are close by so trucking was $75. I did 2 jobs with it, that took 28 hours of machine time to complete. Demolished an old pool, re-graded the area & topsoiled it with existing that I stripped first, probably 500 cubic yards moved. I scraped out my driveway, built it up with gravel & crushed stone, probably handled about 400 cubic yards.

The rental rate was good, the productivity was at its highest, fuel efficiency was excellent. They are all nice when new, matter of fact this one had never been used, 2.4 hours on the meter, but that aside, renting a late model machine, at a decent rate, you're not paying for an operator, profit & overhead or any other contractor mark up if you can run it yourself. You'll most likely not have to deal with any down time, even if you do, the rental outfit will back you up by repair on site or with a replacement unit. You have no risk except delay in finishing your work. This particular machine was really easy to operate, was well balanced, plenty of power for it size, overall a good performer, long term is another issue, like I said earlier they're all nice when new ! It was a bonus to have several years experience operating a dozer full time, the skills and ability really helped get the job done right and efficiently.

If you have good skills operating a dozer, you can get maximum productivity by using your ability and planning out the jobs you would like to do. If you have a lot of work, you can sequence it in phases, pay as you go, not tie up all your $$$ into a machine at once. At the rate I rented this one for, $15,000 would get you 300+ hours, based on a daily rate, weekly and monthly rates are better. One way to keep $$ in your pocket and get what you need done, as you need it, new machinery, no major headaches to worry about with the equipment you're using.

Ownership is a luxury & convienence and sometimes there is no other alternative if you want something, its there because you own it. I have a pair of old D-7's, and a old 850 Ford with a loader. Nice to be able to fire up the dozer if the 850 gets stuck or some other situation arises where you need it in a hurry. The 7's are for bigger work and or clearing, not much else, lucky to have one of them with very low hours, still require tinkering though, tracks are good most importantly. The tractor with a loader is about the handiest thing I own, good for a multitude of tasks, lifting, material handling, snow removal, light earthwork ( not heavy duty like a backhoe or industrial model, but if you take your time, it does quite a bit) Was great to have in combination with the rental machine on both jobs. Always something to fix or maintain when you own. Just another viewpoint for you.

If you can get a decent machine at the right price, especially after it's depreciated, do your work, you may be able to get your investment back, or close to it if you take care of it, + the value of the work you get done with it. If you need a major repair, it'll throw you off dollarwise and your $$ will be already tied up into a machine, your work stopped etc. It's a risk, just like anything else, have to make sure you know what you are buying, have the U/C measured, and a competent mechanic give it a once over etc., see if you can demo it etc. I think you are always better off spending a little more on the right machine if one presents itself, especially if you are not into repairs, also consider parts & service availability in your area for whatever you buy, its important to have. In any case, best of luck in your endeavor !

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johnmd

05-12-2004 15:08:45




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
Robert is dead on the money. I just saw a quote on a Deere 450 H. Around $67k, if I remember correctly.
John



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dirthog

05-11-2004 15:07:41




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
I just got a 1973 350 case, real good shape, newer bottom for $10500.00 Some of the price's I see on these posts get me envious. 350 and 450 case and John Deere dozers are in big demand for the loggers and stone cutters in my area. A 350c case will be in the 17 thousand price range. I searched for awhile and this was the best machine for the money. I use it around the house and every once in awhile on the job, it's a great machine. Thing is about a older american dozer once they depreciate to where mine is, I can use it for a few years. If I've taken care of it I will be able to sell it for around the same price.

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kyhayman

05-11-2004 11:05:28




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
Look at the D21 Komatsu. I see them selling for under $15K frequently. However, my experience has been I am better off getting a good big skid loader (65 hp) with tracks and renting a dozer for those jobs where I need bigger hp.



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Dale

05-11-2004 03:47:15




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
The $14,000 350 must be a C model. Even that is high for a C. $11,000 or $12,000 would be more like it for a C, with $6,000-9,000 for an A or B. As far a the new, Furukawa makes a 50 or 60 horse dozer that I've seen for about 25,000. I've seen Komatsu and Mitsubishi priced at about 37,000-40,000 new, with 10-15 year old used for anywhere from 8,000-18,000. I've never run any of the small Jap crawlers, but they have always looked like good rigs. Good luck!

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JimInOz

05-11-2004 01:58:52




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
Maybe you could go for a low houred Komatsu D21 or Mitsubishi BD2.Here in Australia,a new small dozer will cost at least $110,000 +.....keep going up from that starting point.A slightly used small Jap unit may cost $17 K +....much better value for a non contractor.Good luck.



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Matt K

05-10-2004 20:05:53




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 Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-10-2004 19:41:35  
I don't know the cost off the top of my head, but pretty much any dozer new will be far more expensive than the average person can justify (I'd guess at least $50k+). If you have a business and can make money with it, or if you are wealthy then that's a different story...



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Anthony

05-11-2004 06:39:48




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 Re: Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Matt K, 05-10-2004 20:05:53  
That is kind of what I was guessing. Yeah, new would be great if I was wealthy, or a contractor.....I am not either. Right now my only prospects are the JD 350 @ about $14K or a Mitsubishi BD2 that seem to be a little less expensive $11 -12K, with slight less hours. My questions with them is if they will hold up just as well.
Thanks To all.



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Robert in W. Mi

05-11-2004 11:22:08




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 Re: Re: Re: New Dozer cost in reply to Anthony, 05-11-2004 06:39:48  
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I wouldn't buy "any dozer" that "doesn't have" wet clutches!!! If you let a dry clutch machine sit around you will have problems when you DO decide to use it. $$$$$$ problems!

When i was looking for a small crawler, i was looking for a Deere 350, but i ended up with a Case 450. It's a lot more machine as it should be, and even the older Case machines don't have dry clutches. The best part is, the Case 450 will cost the same or "less" than a deere 350!!

Go to the crawler site here on YT, and look at how many deere dry clutch problems there are, then look at how many Case 450 problems there are.

My Case dozer just keeps on pushing, and has been very reliable! I wasn't a Case crawler man, untill i bought one. Very good machines.

BTW, a new 450 size machine will set you back about $65 to $70,000.00 depending on options.

Robert

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