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Looking at a JD350C for landscaping

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Anthony

05-18-2004 06:38:42




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I have about 4 acres that I need to landscape around the house. Looks like it was once used as farmland. I am looking at purchasing a JD350 in the neighborhood to do it. Is that too small of a machine ? It has about 3000hrs on it. I read some post about wet/dry clutches..... ..I believe the JD350 has dry, is that correct? Never really owned a bdozer, I have some basic knowledge of heavy equipment. Could someone briefly explain what is meant by turning the bushings ? How many times can you turn them ? Is thier any common problems that I should be looking for on the 350 ?
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Anthony

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jdemaris

05-18-2004 19:19:13




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 Re: Looking at a JD350C for landscaping in reply to Anthony, 05-18-2004 06:38:42  
It's a good sized machine for landscaping, not good for heavy work or pond building. Hopefully, the one you're looking at has a 6-way blade and a hydraulic reverser. 350 is not heavy or powerful enough to push out big stumps, a 450 will do much more - so I guess it depends on what you call landscaping. All the 350s have dry steering clutches until the "C" series. As far as the pins and bushings go, most of the wear occurs on one side of them, so both can be turned about 180 degrees ONCE. If they've gotten too worn, they cannot be turned. If they are already broke through, forget it. Some users cheat a little and take a link out of the track chains so they can be tightened properly again. All depends how many corners you want to cut. If your sprockets are half worn out, and the rollers not the best, and the track chains worn thin, then you might as well take out a link and get a little more use out of the undercarriage. If you DO decide to have the pins and bushing turned, keep in mind the labor charge will be the same as if you were putting new ones in. As far as weak points go, or common problems? It's doubtful the machine only has 3000 hours on it, so anything is possible. Early hydraulic reversers are not as strong as newer units (unless it's already been rebuilt and updated). Make sure it's working well when hot. With the crawler in 2nd gear, full throttle, you should be able to shift from forward to reverse without pushing in the clutch, and it should change directions with a firm shift - but not hard - just a firm smooth engagement. Steering clutches are another issue. Even a machine will all new parts can go bad just sitting, they tend to absorb moisture. That's why the 350Cs went to wet clutches. So, . . . make sure it steers and pushes okay. Put the machine in 3rd or 4th gear, hold your foot on the brake with both steering clutch levers back, let the clutch pedal up (with the reverser in forward if it has one), and then . . . one at a time, let a steering lever forward slowly until the engine starts to labor, and eventually begins to stall. That's what should happen with each lever. If, instead you hear a squawking sound and engine does not labor or stall, the steering clutch is slipping.
Also, look at the side-frames where they bolt to the steering clutch housings and see if they're cracked in that area (common 350 problem). Also, look at the cross-bar that runs sideways and the track frames on both sides attach to it. An early 350 is bolted tight. Look for broken or loose bolts or a bunch of sloppy welds. Later 350s gave up on keeping the frames tight because they cracked too much, and hooked them up floating in dowels instead. With that setup, inspect the wear on the dowels, there are six on each side. I could go on for a long time, but I'll mention one more thing. If the crawler has a reverser, look underneath where the reverser case bolts to the transmission case. There are two studs and nuts on top, but on the bottom just two bolts. Make sure they are there, and appear to be tight. If they are loose, and it appears the two cases have been wobbling around a bit, don't buy the crawler.

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Anthony

05-20-2004 08:28:20




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 Re: Re: Looking at a JD350C for landscaping in reply to jdemaris, 05-18-2004 19:19:13  
Thanks JDEMARIS, and to all, that was good information for me. It does have a 6 way blade,I don't know about the reverser. I will be taking a closer look at it this weekend. I have just been hesitatinjg on it because it is about $14K, which I think is a little steep for it. I took a brief look at it a month or so ago, it does look like it was taken good care of, it does have a new undercarriage.

I also just ran into a JD 450E in my area, that also appears to be in real good shape, cost is about the same. I am going to see if I can inspect that too soon.
Thanks Again.

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rexb

05-19-2004 00:29:54




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 Re: Re: Looking at a JD350C for landscaping in reply to jdemaris, 05-18-2004 19:19:13  
Hiya Anthony, jdemaris a hard act to follow, he be the Deere man. So I'll just tell ya' how satisfied I am with my '66 JD350 to give an idea of what you might buy if it checks out:

An old 1200ft lane to the back of my property was washed out and overgrown with trees. Dug it out again, graded, pushed ~150 tons of gravel over it in ~20 machine hours. Looks nice.

Am finishing up trail-cutting/skidding the 5-acre east side, took (me)about 80 machine hours. These are mostly shallow-rooted alders, 60-90 feet tall and 6-26 inches diameter: 2 logtruckloads of 'em. Some will push over ez, others ya' gotta dig around and dig out or winch over. There were many 100 year-old cedar stumps, BIG, that this l'il dozer dug out without too much work- 5ft deep ~14ft diameter holes took about 50 minutes each banging against the roots of those. (But I'm getting faster haha}.

The 3-cylinder diesel is not happy till she's hot and working hard- seems to just get stronger. I'm starting the west side in the fall.

Had it a year, used regular, no probs, (digits crossed, cuz something always happens :) And "PacMan" is becoming like my favorite truck.

If you can get your hands on a machine that's been taken care of like this one, the 350 will work hard for you.

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jdemaris

05-19-2004 05:49:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Looking at a JD350C for landscaping in reply to rexb, 05-19-2004 00:29:54  
I hope I didn't sound like I was bad-mouthing the 350 crawlers. I like them. But . . . we sold many, and rented many to people who expected too much of them - especially loggers and people working shale banks.. I saw so many get torn to pieces, whereas the 450s held up MUCH better. That being said, they are fine machines if used right. About stumps, at least in this area the ground is full of hard pan with little sand or gravel. Stumps come out hard. One of the biggest complaints we had with 350s were from people expecting to easily push out stumps, and fail at it. I'd often hear stories about someone spending two hours on one stump (with a 350) that a 450 would push out in five mintues. I AM talking about large red oak and hard maple trees, not shallow rooted species.

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rexb

05-19-2004 06:41:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Looking at a JD350C for landscapin in reply to jdemaris, 05-19-2004 05:49:43  
No prob here jedmaris, I've read you say nice things about the 350 too :) and have printed off your experienced "fix-its" to put in my service manual.

I learned a while ago don't ask the equipment to do more than it was designed for -it's gonna break- and maintain it regularly.

Would be nice to have a few more horses in "My little Shovel", otherwise it's been just about right for what I'm doing- I've got the time now, retirement is real nice for being able to slow jobs down and don't strain the gear.

Regards, Rex on Whidbey Isle WA

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Mark

05-19-2004 08:36:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Looking at a JD350C for landsc in reply to rexb, 05-19-2004 06:41:20  
I have 2 350C dozers, one with rippers, one bareback. Trying to put a winch together for one, but found out yesterday that it's not equiped with a PTO. (thanks JDemaris for your help there) It does work to park down hill on a steep hill to remove the cover on the back. Didn't waste any oil. I use the dozers on my properties for many different things. If you take care of it, the dozer should last for you around your property. I like them because I can get into tight areas to do work. Don't do very much stump digging with the dozers cause the backhoes do a quicker/cleaner job for me. I have built many ponds and put many miles of roads in with mine, cleared many acres of brush, and do a little work for other people once in a while. I always get people commenting on how neat my dozers are and the amount of work they CAN do. But just like everything they have their place. Another advange for me is that I can tow the 350's with my 1-ton dumptruck. My 450C loader/hoe is to heavy for the 1-ton, If I was set up with a 5th wheel/goose neck, on flat ground the truck could do it, but with the dumpbed and there are steep roads in my area I just hire if I need it moved.

I would agree with JD, the 450 is almost twice the tractor, and if I was needing a dozer for a lot of work, didn't have a hoe, and was not concerned about transport, I would consider going the 450C/D route. But, I am very happy with the 350's and being able to haul myself is a big advantage to me.

Hey Rex, I was just in your neck of the woods, Friday Harbor and surrounding islands. I'm looking at a another 350C in Mt. Vernon. It has a winch and if all goes well it will be headed to Calif soon.

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rexb

05-21-2004 15:06:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Looking at a JD350C for la in reply to Mark, 05-19-2004 08:36:10  
Hiya Mark, the late reply is I forgot to check the email notification box, sheesh. Friday Harbor just a few miles south of me, I live on an island so get there in the boat sometimes.

A tight-turning 350 with a winch is a hard combo to beat for my small clearing in the woods, hope that 350C is a good l'il beast for you.

Small world- my favorite relatives live in CA - and now that he brings 'my' liquor with him, the uncle is a welcome summer visitor too :)

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