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JD 450 Steering clutches

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Dozerboss

05-18-2004 20:12:54




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After reading the post on Cat dry clutches, I'm wondering if anyone has converted a JD 450 crawler to wet clutches? I beleieve the 450C has wet clutches. Would it be worth the expense in parts? Would you have to replace the housings as well as all internal parts? My dealer claims its a $5000 job to replace the dry clutches due to parts redesign because of asbestos, everything has to be replaced. I have read much lower costs in this forum by vendors/business's for replacing dry clutches. Anyone done a wet clutch conversion?

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jdemaris

05-19-2004 05:36:04




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 Re: JD 450 Steering clutches in reply to Dozerboss, 05-18-2004 20:12:54  
John Deere does it. They call it a "certified relife program." It costs at least as much as what a brand new 450C would have cost if available, which it is not. There are a number of customers that want U.S. built small crawlers that are no longer available, so Deere offered this program to "renew" and update older crawlers. It cost around $60,000 to get a 350 converted, I'm sure more for a 450. Now, about your 450, $5000 for a steering clutch job sounds insane to me. Especially since the final drives don't have to come off on a 450 (unlike the 350). Most times you can do a decent job just by replacing the fiber disks which should be a couple of hundred bucks for each side. But . . . $2500 per side? I'd like to see an itemized estimate. Now, if you know for sure that you need new drums, brake bands, all steels and fibers, and pressure plates - that would be a different story - but I can't imagine that happening. I'll also add that wet-clutches certainly have their advantages, but there is a down side to them too. I worked for several Deere dealers and we had as much problems with the wet clutches as the dry - just different.

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Hillbilly

06-06-2004 22:54:28




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 Re: Re: JD 450 Steering clutches in reply to jdemaris, 05-19-2004 05:36:04  
Left a couple of posts about my 1978 JD 450c/wet clutches that need replaced. just trying to get cost est. and thoughts about the time frame and depth of this project. Any comments are appreciated.



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Dozerboss

05-19-2004 12:51:53




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 Re: Re: JD 450 Steering clutches in reply to jdemaris, 05-19-2004 05:36:04  
I thank you, definately not cost effective to change over. The dry clutch was around many years. I would think most of our interstate roads were built by dry clutch equipment since they didn't come out with wet in this case until the mid seventies.
On the $5000 estimate:
Thats the thing with having your equipment worked on. Once its torn down at the shop they pretty much have you where they want you. Even if you see their padding the bill, you have the choice of paying the labor to put it back up or paying their price for the repair. Best to ask around and get estimates. The internet and these forums are a definate bonus for the individual trying to do their own land clearing and repair equipment.

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