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Doug ONT.

05-23-2004 05:55:37




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I need to build a road through a pasture and a very rough and rocky wooded section any advice would be helpful, by the way I have a backhoe that I intend to use to build it with. Many Thanks




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Ron

05-25-2004 04:49:30




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 Re: Road Building in reply to Doug ONT., 05-23-2004 05:55:37  
Lots of good advice here. One more suggestion, contact your county road building crew and ask them. Where I live, we have very heavy clay soil. We never have to cut anything, just build it up with #2, crown it, make sure you have good ditches on either side and culverts wherever water will run across the road. As long as you don't let water stand on the road or at the shoulders, the road will not frost-heave.

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Dave Mcadams

05-24-2004 12:43:49




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 Re: Road Building in reply to Doug ONT., 05-23-2004 05:55:37  
Well like I said just my two cents worth, But I did one recently that was just a little under a mile long and the cost was not that bad. It all depends if you have your own equipment I do, but if I guy does'nt have a roller, dump truck and dozer than your looking at some cost to have it done. You also got to figure how far away you have to truck the stone and gravel from. Around here I gan get gravel for $2.00 a yard and bank run a little cheaper than that, if I shop around. Good Luck with your road.

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ShepFL - with link

05-24-2004 00:29:09




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 Re: Road Building in reply to Doug ONT., 05-23-2004 05:55:37  
Hey Doug -

Try the link below. Lots of good info. I ended up getting the book so I could read in my leisure time (ha!).

This is another site with video info and other road-building links.

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Doug Ont.

05-25-2004 16:21:33




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 Re: Re: Road Building in reply to ShepFL - with link, 05-24-2004 00:29:09  
Thanks for the info Shep and a great web site, will send for the book. Boy what a great bunch of people on this site. Many thanks to all



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Bret

05-25-2004 05:01:11




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 Re: Re: Road Building in reply to ShepFL - with link, 05-24-2004 00:29:09  
Great link!!! I was able to link from there to a number of great sites and all the state co-operative extensions. Never thought about searching for them before. Scads of info! Thanks again Shep.



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Sean

05-24-2004 08:24:56




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 Re: Re: Road Building in reply to ShepFL - with link, 05-24-2004 00:29:09  
Shep, Thanks a million for the roadbuilding link! I've been looking for something like this, especially the part on culvert construction and pipe sizing. I'm in the process of building my own 800 foot road up and down hills through some valleys, stream crossings and woods and could use info like this.

Dave, sounds like you build a super solid road, but honestly to undercut 3 whole foot the entire length of the road and then backfill with stone, CR-6 and cement dust would be incredibly expensive where I live. My 800' driveway would probably cost at least $50,000 (not including culverts) and probably alot more if I had to dig out 3 foot of fill and then pay for 3 foot of stone/CR-6/cement placement the whole way. I know ideally it would be nice to do it this way, and the road would probably be there longer than the Roman empire lasted. But if it basically lasts indefinitely with just a little maintenance every 4-5 years, I think that's not a bad compromise for an average homeowner.

I was discussing driveway construction with one of my neighbors, and he said he had some soft spots that were really spongy. He didn't undercut them, he just had a few loads of recycled concrete with big chunks brought in and had it spread. This tightened everything up really good. Even after a good rain, he said 20 ton trucks roll right over it and it doesn't yield a bit. I think I may take this same tack. I'll remove the topsoil and obvious organics, but not significantly undercut. Then just keep adding however many loads of recycled concrete (which is much cheaper than crushed stone or CR6) it takes to make it ROCK hard. Then finish with crusher run and/or recycled asphalt, grade it with the proper slope, and roll to seal well.

How long is your road? Do you have stone available on site or is it available cheaply where you are? Where I live nice stone and CR6 isn't "dirt cheap".

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VaTom

05-24-2004 04:15:32




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 Re: Re: Road Building in reply to ShepFL - with link, 05-24-2004 00:29:09  
Shep,

Good that you posted that again. That's a great booklet. Got one last time you posted the link. Did take several weeks to get here.



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Dave McAdams

05-23-2004 18:14:45




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 Re: Road Building in reply to Doug ONT., 05-23-2004 05:55:37  
here is my 2 cents worth. It all depends on your soil,water table and frost line. I have built a few in the north country. If you want a realy good road that will last and dont mind the cost or work involved. Dig down as much as possible (if I can I try for three feet, take that soil out and get rid of it. Next lay in a good base of larger rocks. Next a layer of smaller rocks and then finish it to the hieght you want with good gravel. Finaly put a layer of crusher run or as is called some places crusher dust. Roll this perferably with a vibrating roller and seal the top good with the roller. Add dry powdered cement dust to the top and lightly sprinkle with water and roll one more time. Make sure you have your road higher in the center than on the sides and cut a good ditch for the water run off. Also roll the road afer you put down the second layer of smaller rock. You will then have a road that will out last you, with little or no maintance. Also make sure when you put down the gravel that it get rolled and sealed before the any big rain, other wise you got mud. This is just what I have used in the past and it works up here.

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Mark

05-23-2004 07:51:41




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 Re: Road Building in reply to Doug ONT., 05-23-2004 05:55:37  
Take the backhoe and dip from both shoulders onto the road bed. This will give you 2 ditches on the side of the road that can be graded off with a back blade that can be mowed. This also gives you a raised roadbed that won't pond water,and the snow will tend to blow off of in the winter.If you have a low spot,a pipe under the road should carry away any water from the high side to the lower side.Try to strip off the topsoil first so that it is not used on the roadbed,but can be put in the ditches and be seeded.I put in a 1/2 mile lane like this,took alittle time but the resulting road was well worth it.

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Doug Ont.

05-23-2004 17:31:06




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 Re: Re: Road Building in reply to Mark, 05-23-2004 07:51:41  
Thank you for your advice Mark, and will follow them to the letter.



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VaTom

05-23-2004 06:22:14




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 Re: Road Building in reply to Doug ONT., 05-23-2004 05:55:37  
Best advice, other than keep the water from running down the road, is to try to find something like this:

Link

Recent discussion in TractorTalk.



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Doug Ont.

05-23-2004 17:33:10




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 Re: Re: Road Building in reply to VaTom, 05-23-2004 06:22:14  
Thanks for the site address VaTom, it has some good advice.



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