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D7 with wet clutch - grinding gears when shifting

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andy

06-27-2004 19:37:42




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I recently bought a D7-14A with a wet clutch. The man I bought it from said it was hard to get into gear when first started. I drove it and when it warmed up it would go into gear easier with little or no grinding. Someone told me there is a brake on the clutch output shaft or somewhere that activates when you push the clutch lever forward. I think this needs to be adjusted or renewed? How is it adjusted? Where is the adjustment? I do have full belly pans on the dozer.

I assume that everything is just spinning away in the clutch housing and it just doesn't want to slow the output shaft. I hate grinding the gears!

I thought of something on the way home after I started it today. I moved the cable blade up and down a time or two. Worked fine. After a few minutes of messing with the clutch and shifters I went to move the blade again. It wouldn't move up. I had the clutch disengaged. Pulled the clutch back and moved the cable unit lever and the blade went right up. So, to me it seems like the cable unit might help stop a disengaged clutch it you try to raise the blade. Am I correct here?? Thanks for any responses. Any

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83Jim

06-28-2004 11:56:31




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 Re: D7 with wet clutch - grinding gears when shift in reply to andy, 06-27-2004 19:37:42  
I had a D-6B 44A series with oil clutch which I suspect has similar clutch brake to your D-7.

the clutch brake should be accessed by removing the floor board panels above the clutch housing. (This should be the area near the dash board and rear of the engine). There is a short driveshaft between the clutch housing and transmission and a brake hub on this driveshaft.

Actuate the clutch lever back and forth and you should see movement of the clutch brake shoe and spring on the upper left of this brake hub.

Whereas you pull the clutch lever back toward you to engage the clutch, you actually push the clutch lever forward away from you to engage the clutch brake.

If the brake shoe does not engage and stop the driveline from turning when you push the lever then you need to turn the adjuster screw in the spring to get the proper engagement between the shoe and hub.

Unfortunately, it has been 20 years since I owned my D-6 so my memory may be faulty. (Or your 14A may have a different set-up).

My machine was hydraulic blade and I suspect that your cable blade winch only works when the hand clutch is engaged. Conversely, with the clutch lever disengaged, then engaging the winch control may serve to stop the transmission shaft from rotating just like the clutch brake does.

So in the short term, you may find that engaging the blade lift may help you get the transmission into gear before you engage the clutch. Obviously, this is not a long term solution and you need the clutch brake adjusted or relined, but is is an interesting thing to try.

If this does not work and no one else comes to your aid then post this request on the Antique Caterpillar Machinery Owner Club web site (acmoc.com). Heck, some one there may even post illustrations from service manual for your.

Best wishes and good luck.

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Billy NY

06-29-2004 21:33:08




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 Re: Re: D7 with wet clutch - grinding gears when s in reply to 83Jim, 06-28-2004 11:56:31  
You might have your wires crossed on the 14 A designation, that's a D8, but yours is probably a 17A, in any case I had a similar problem, disengaging the the master clutch, and engaging the cable control unit for a moment will stop things from turning and allow you to put into gear without resistance.
I had noticed this on my 7 with a dry clutch, and also by turning the throttle down lowering the r.p.m.'s worked sometimes. I did notice that when I put either the fwd/rev. lever in neutral or the 5 spd in neutral and or both in neutral it would not go in again, so I kept them in gear and made quick shifts and had no resistance, my clutch was on its way out anyways beside the clutch brake being out of adjustment. This was to get by briefly, not good to avoid the inevitable, locate the serial number of your machine on the back left side, or on the motor left side closer to operator platform, and get the appropriate servicemans reference book and parts book for it, it will help you tremendously in making repairs etc.

Midland Press offers good quality reproduction of Cat manuals, also try e-bay under following link, always good originals up for auction.

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