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International 250.....

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JoeinTX

07-08-2004 00:26:35




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I posted below, but I've got a few more questions. Okay, here's the scenario....I've been offered this 250C for free if I want it. It appears to be an early 70's unit with the 1-2/3-4 tranny. This machine hasn't been used in around 5 years or so and it is in reasonably good condition at first glance. But, I took a better look at it today. The engine has some water in the crankcase and the radiator hose has been removed. I see no indication of a cracked block, however. The undercarriage appears to be original and the pads are absolutely shot-no way around it. The chains are salvageable (maybe..?) if I can get some more out of the adjustment. The steering brakes are extremely stiff-but I'm not sure what that indicates on this machine...is there a major issue or are they just sufferring from lack of use? Now, even though it's hard to look a gift horse in the mouth, I'm not looking to spend a gillion dollars on this thing only to wind up selling it for scrap. Basically, the radiator is full of rust and the engine has water in it. There is no ignition system-seems to have been yanked out at some point. The u.c. needs work. But, on the good side...I find no major leaks on this machine. The trannny and final drives/rear-end are very decent without much indication of leakage. The hydraulics are in pretty good shape and the 4n1 bucket is fine. Oddly, the machine appears to have had a minor rework including paint and such not long before it was parked. The 250 is a somewhat rare machine and I'd love to have this baby working and all to myself-but, I just need a few suggestions. Thank you in advance...JoeinTX..

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Heat Houser

07-09-2004 19:14:58




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 Re: International 250..... in reply to JoeinTX, 07-08-2004 00:26:35  
I have a 250C and they are a good old machine.
My unit is a 1977 model which has the later track chain. The earlier 250C's track shoes have a "square" bolt pattern where the front set of holes is the same width center to center as the rear set. I call on a former IHC dealer and they did have a set of new shoes with the "square" pattern. They hit the scrap tub about a year ago. (I looked at them to see if they would work on mine.) This dealer also has a new sprocket for the older units since it has the smaller bolts that fasten it to the final. A TD20 has the same undercarriage but has one less(?) track link. The 250C should have 43 links per side. If you are at the end of adjustment you could look at removing a link and then running the tracks on out.

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JoeinTX

07-11-2004 22:40:18




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 Re: Re: International 250..... in reply to Heat Houser, 07-09-2004 19:14:58  
Thank you very much... The chains look like they'll work for what I want to do with it and I was thinking about taking one link out of each side-but I've never done that so I wasn't sure whether to try or not. These are the older "square" bolt pattern pads on this machine. I need only a few sprocket segments to get this in workable shape. Let me ask you, this thing has some terribly stiff steering pedals. According to the owner it was operating fine when parked, so I'm wondering if this is just a lack of use problem. I've never been around I.H. crawlers at all so I don't know what tendencies they have. Thaank you for all the info you can provide, Heat Houser..

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Lou

07-08-2004 15:11:30




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 Re: International 250..... in reply to JoeinTX, 07-08-2004 00:26:35  
Joein,
When someone offers me a piece of machinery for FREE, unless it is absolutely JUNK, I take it and make up my mind later what I want to do with it, BEFORE the offer is withdrawn or BEFORE someone else beats me to it! Just a thought but that's how I do it. Good luck!
Lou



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Sean

07-08-2004 07:38:12




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 Re: International 250..... in reply to JoeinTX, 07-08-2004 00:26:35  
Joe - Congrats on finding that crawler for the very best price of all...FREE. I can give you just a bit of perspective, being that I own an old piece of IH iron like that.

I have a '69 IH150 loader (the little brother to the machine you're looking at) with a 4-1 bucket. I can't tell you how fantastic this machine has been for me since I bought it last winter. I've used it for logging, clearing, and now Im building my driveway with it...LOTS of digging and grading. It just plain rocks, I keep wondering if all the hard work will break it, but it just keeps on going. Here's a pic of it:

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But I would seriously ask myself if I had enough work to get your money out of this machine before taking it. That's a BIG machine and it may very well gobble some SERIOUS money to get it in good running order again (as well as a lot of hard, greasy dirty work). If you have some big jobs to take care of, and/or you think you can line up some side work to recoup your investment, then it may very well be worth it. On the other hand, if you just love crawlers and have some disposable income, I know several men who have dumped $30k-$60k into a boat or a custom Harley, and you can't dig a basement with either one of those. So having a crawler for fun aint such a bad idea in my book either.

I can say that my machine amazes me with what it will do, I can only imagine what a 250 would get done. And don't underestimate the importance of the 4-1 bucket, it is fantastic! It's awesome for dozing, grading, spreading fill, grabbing logs and stumps and moving them around and just plain digging and scooping.

Sounds like you have a pretty good foundation machine there, so if you really have a serious use for a big machine like that then you may want to scoop it up. But I would anticipate spending $5k-$10k and a bunch of hours on it to get it going well. If you the time, place and money to do it, then go for it!

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JDknut

07-08-2004 04:10:52




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 Re: International 250..... in reply to JoeinTX, 07-08-2004 00:26:35  
The IH 250 loader used the IH DT429 Diesel engine, circa 160 flywheel HP. It is in the CAT 977 class in size. Is it water or antifreeze in the crankcase?, might be liner seal failure or pitting, either way, you're barking at an engine overhaul. If you're lucky and the block and crank are good, you might get a way with an inframe which is LOTS easier. Drott 4-in-1, great! also good hydraulics and drive train, Great! u/c needs work, not too bad, thet is easier to fix than heavy tranny work. Sounds like a good deal if you are handy and equipped enough to fix it up.
Good luck

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Jim

07-08-2004 06:57:12




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 Re: Re: International 250..... in reply to JDknut, 07-08-2004 04:10:52  
The 250C ran the DVT573B eninge in it rated at 190 horsepower. If machine has been sitting could be just rain came thru exhaust, might be sleeve orings or could be engine oil cooler - if cooler ususally will have oil in radiator.



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