Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Crawlers, Dozers, Loaders & Backhoes Discussion Forum

Engine oil level rises

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Jim in Oregon

07-13-2004 19:19:16




Report to Moderator

I have a 350 JD deisel and after I changed the oil, in about a week the level rises about 1 qt above the full mark. After 2 weeks it's about two qts above. I can't see any water in the oil. Can anyone tell me where it might be coming from?
Thanks,
Jim




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Morris

07-16-2004 19:33:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Jim in Oregon, 07-13-2004 19:19:16  
on your machine there is only 3 things that can cause the oil level to rise, water, fuel, and hyd. oil. water will turn the oil milky looking, fuel will thin the oil and leave a smell, hyd.oil dosent change the oil any ( no color change, no smell, and very little change in oil viscosity). if there is no fuel smell in your oil you have a shaft seal leak on the hyd. pump.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jim in Oregon

07-18-2004 09:35:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Morris, 07-16-2004 19:33:42  
Thanks to Morris for the information. Jim



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
barryinmn

07-14-2004 21:34:11




Report to Moderator
 Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Jim in Oregon, 07-13-2004 19:19:16  
I rebuilt the IP & pinched a seal when going back together. Same fuel in crankcase as your seeing. You may need an IP rebuild & new seals. Seals alone were $10 at an ag JD dealer. You have to get a mirror & look under the shaft to be certain not to pinch the seals when going back together. The IP bottom attaching bolt is a real piece of work, be prepared to grind a box end wrench to fit.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Chip

07-14-2004 13:44:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Jim in Oregon, 07-13-2004 19:19:16  
Does the oil have a fuel smell? 2qts,it should.Other posts are on.Transfer pump is easier to check,pull it off & look/smell for fuel in back of housing.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
GLewis

07-14-2004 06:41:48




Report to Moderator
 Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Jim in Oregon, 07-13-2004 19:19:16  
If your oil level is rising it can only be coming from one place. 350's do not have torque converters, there is a regular clutch in front of a directional reverser so oil could not reach the engine. Your injection pump seals are leaking and allowing fuel to run into the pan via the timing gear train. The injection pump mounts on a shaft attached to the timing gear. The pump has a hollow sleeve in the center that slides over the gear shaft that is fitted with two cup type seals. The hole in the pump is fitted with a brass sleeve that will wear in the area of the seals. Have it replaced before you install new seals or you will never stop the leak. The pump timing procedure on Deeres is easy but getting the seals in correctly is a real pain, buy the Deere seal installation tool for $10.00. Your leak is going to get quickly worse and you could ruin your engine if you run it under a load with a pan full of diesel.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steve

07-14-2004 04:32:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Jim in Oregon, 07-13-2004 19:19:16  
third party image

Wayne is correct with certain machines. However this is pretty much impossible with a 350 at least with the straight 350, the "B" or the "C". Maybe the later machines this was possible on. You probably have a leaky fuel pump. Could be either the transfer pump or the injection pump leaking fuel internally.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
scott in wa.

07-14-2004 08:30:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Steve , 07-14-2004 04:32:53  
Steve, I have a 440icd late model.
I would like to replace the hydraulic block that articulates the bucket, I believe its a three position lever, or replace all the seals and o rings.
Can you supply either?
How much?
Thanks
Scott in wa.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Wayne

07-13-2004 21:40:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Jim in Oregon, 07-13-2004 19:19:16  
When the oil level in an engine is rising and there is no water present it has to becoming from one of two places. First check the transmission/torque converter oil level and see if it is going down. If that is the case then the rear main seal is leaking and the oil is getting into the engine from the torque converter housing which is at a higher pressure than what is in the crankcase. If that level isn't dropping keep a close eye on the hydraulic oil level. If there is a hydraulic pump being gear driven directly off the engine then the shaft seal in the pump is bad and leaking hydraulic oil into the engine that way. Hope this helps.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jas

07-14-2004 09:35:55




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Engine oil level rises in reply to Wayne, 07-13-2004 21:40:04  
not sure on JD but if hydrolic pump bolts to auxilary drive on engine a leak there can cause the hyd. oil to get pushed into engine though the shaft



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy