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Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today when I

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James

07-24-2004 20:03:18




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I came across an International Harvester td 30 sitting alone in the thick brush of the woods. I have no idea how this monster ended up in these woods, but I almost walked right past it. The vehicle itself is in decent condition, there's still gas in the tank, and even two old batteries inside the battery compartment. It's obviously been sitting out in the open for decades. I know nothing about bulldozers but this peaked my interest since there's no explanation for how something weighing 60,000 pounds ended up in the middle of the woods...

I've been doing quite a bit of research on this bulldozer so I can learn more about it's origins. The vehicle is located about 400 ft from an interstate which was constructed during the late 60's in our area.. but that's the only structure I can think of which would require such a large.. and I mean large, piece of machinery. And what's even more confusing is the question of why someone would leave a very expensive piece of equipment out in the open to just degrade over time. Anyways I just want to ask if any of you could provide me with information regarding the Td-30. THanks for reading.

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king of obsolete

07-25-2004 13:51:48




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
sounds interesting, head over to repower, and post some picture. in the great white north is how i get my equipment from the bush,abandoned. check out my website under the cat train newsletters and read on the eager dam project, noerthwest dragline and d7 4t all slavaged.


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enjoy



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Old Ford Mechanic

07-25-2004 10:36:12




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
James,Good observation on the snakes and critters. Reminds me of a September dove hunt here in Alabama several years ago.Several other hunters and myself were taking a lunch break at the edge of a field and hardwood forest.An old Caterpillar dozer had been sitting there for a few years.Some of the guys were sitting on the tracks and one in the operators seat on this machine.I happend to walk up to front of the machine and looked down at the front pulley on the engine.There coiled up and at full alert on top of the belly pan lay a huge timber rattler.After everyone stopped running and regained their composure we discoverd that she had her offspring up in that dozer.We found some cardboard and left a warning sign about the snakes and cleared out of there.Old iron abandoned like that is dangerous.Be very careful around it.We were very lucky that someone wasn't bitten that day.Later.

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Terry

07-25-2004 06:56:32




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
Hey anon CHILL OUT!!!!! !!!!!



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Billy NY

07-26-2004 15:10:30




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 Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today in reply to Terry, 07-25-2004 06:56:32  
Well, this subject strikes a nerve, I'll be careful here, beacuse tone is often misinterpreted to be rash and it's certainly not meant to be, no reason for it here, or any discussion board,etc. but here's an outlook based on experiences over the years so far.

I own 98 acres, with high tension transmission lines running through the middle of it. Recently I have had to deal with people who have no regard for tresspassing signs, driving atv's through freshly planted fields, vandalizing fences put up at property lines with no tresspassing signs etc. to warn people to stay out. Also pay healthy property taxes every year, just so I can have a place like this to enjoy. I also have a friend who has 300 acres, and has had similar problems with tresspassers, which have resulted in more serious problems, some of which could be classified into the life/safety category, one example of which was his barn being torched and subsequently burnt to the ground. There is also a powerline right of way through his place, people are under the belief that it's perfectly legal to tresspass on these easements & or right of way's when in fact, if you own on both sides of it, you control it, at least on my property I do, in agreement with the utility company. They use these easements as a corridor to invade other peoples property, illegally. Around here people have no respect anymore, do not ask permission, and make you liable if they get hurt. I think Anon has a valid point, have a little repsect, ask permission. My main concern is that a cavalier attitude towards issues like these only makes it worse to a landowner, eventually people will walk all over you, and think they have a right to. The state police could care less, as do the utility company, if they can't postively I.D. someone, oh well ( really ! ) and its just a violation ( damn summons like a traffic infraction!). It's in the tresspassers favor, now how do you know if someone is casing your place, gathering knowlege so they can rob or do worse? A lackadaisical attitude towards people who tresspass and I know from tragic results, ( meaning someone was killed ) that it does happen, crimes like murder, rape, robbery, this is the society we live in, its not like it was in the past there are more & more people out there who have no regard for anything. It's up to the landowners to instill upon people that it is wrong and will not be tolerated.

I have always been nice to people in the neighborhood, I do share my hunting season with a few people (I'd prefer to keep everyone out but I'm not that selfish it's great to see someone enjoy a good hunt, or the place in general). I allow my neighbor limited access for his kids to ride their atv's in designated areas, under the premise that they respect my wishes while on my property, leave wildlife alone, no litter, enjoy it but respect it, just use common sense. Lately though people have tested my patience, and I'll be quite frank about it, I don't tolerate these people, last group of kids that tore up my corn, were nice kids, respectful, no back talk or arrogant attitude, and agreed that what they were doing was wrong, ( corn just came up & they were running through it 2-3 times a day ) so I asked them politely to leave, and they did. Funny thing is people know its wrong, but still do it. I'll not be so nice to someone who wrecks a fence, do maintain my right to bear arms and am in my 30's in good physical shape, and properly trained to deal with anyone who could be a danger, I don't take crap from people, when it comes to this, but fortunately, a simple coversation is all that is needed usually, but you can never underestimate a person, and should always be prepared, if you don't you could be dead quick, like a good friend was when he did NOT realize that a stranger was ARMED and decided to shoot him at point blank range, for pocket change. And by the way, the killer has never been caught, so theres one out there I can confirm, how many others ? No one has that answer. So not that I'm right or a know it all, its just damn annoying sometimes, all one has do do is ask, but most don't.

Back to the topic ( more fun anyways LOL !)

This country is littered with old iron, and its always a great story to hear about and see photos of what is found and or retrieved, and I've seen some really nice recoveries, its great to see an old piece of eq. find a new home. Asking permission will go a long way with someone, you may even make a friend in the process, or be able to salvage, buy or be given an old piece of equipment that has sat idle for many years. ( its the owners perrogative to do so, which is unfortunate, I hate to see equipment that has restoration potential rot away, but you have to accept the fact it belongs to someone else, period ! ) Can't tell you how many I've seen, classic cars, trucks, equipment etc., wasting away, but what can you do?, except express interest, leave a contact number in case they change their mind, and just move on.

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anon

07-25-2004 06:30:41




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
I own land and I dont like when some tresspasser FINDS some thing I own on my land.My first thought was were you tresspassing when you FOUND this piece. It is my beliefe that one should know who owns the ground you are on. One should have permission to be on a private persons land. If on govt land ie state park or fed land that is a different story. So please enlightment me, were you on private land with permission or govt , public ground or heaven forbid tresspassing?

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James

07-25-2004 16:06:06




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 Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today in reply to anon, 07-25-2004 06:30:41  
The land is public, there are several atv/bike trails within the area of the dozer. Yhe land itself is part of the Hatfield-Mcoy trail here in Wv. Which makes me wonder why a bulldozer is just sitting there.



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Sean

07-24-2004 21:24:26




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
It ended up surrounded by woods probably because its been there so long the woods have grown up around it. It may have been abandoned because it experienced a serious and very expensive to repair malfunction. And/or the company that was using it went belly up or was on the verge of bankruptcy at the time of its abandonment. Or maybe the current or past owner of the land owned it and died without finally getting "that damned thing running again."

If you're interested in an old piece of iron like that, and it's reasonably accessible (for other equipment to retrieve), then see if you can find the serial number plate. I have an old IH loader and the plate is located on the front panel under the instrument cluster, just above the left foot pedal (it's an aluminum plate riveted to the bulkhead). Have the police run the serial number to see if it comes up stolen (that is, if you can find the serial number(s)).

If you know the owner of the land, go ask him and/or the neighbors if they know where it came from and what the story might be. If you don't know who owns the land, go to the county land records office and find out present and past owners and try and track them down. Somebody has to be paying taxes on the land (unless the last owner died intestate), so someone will probably have some idea what the disposition of the machine is and whether or not you can have it.

Good luck!

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Davis in SC

07-24-2004 21:22:46




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
They might be Urban Legends, but I have heard many stories about the completion of Lake Hartwell on the SC/Ga line in the early 60's....As rumor has it, hundreds of machines were parked after the project was completed & as the water rose, they were lost forever.... I guess after completing a huge project taking many years, the construction companies were not concerned with the value of the machines. Or perhaps they had a good insurance policy..... .

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Happens here too

07-25-2004 03:22:42




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 Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today in reply to Davis in SC, 07-24-2004 21:22:46  
We have that happen a fair bit up in the north in Canada. if something can't be fixed on site, they'll often leave it behind, rather than go to the expense of having it moved. I know of a power dam project years ago where all the equipment was buried upon completion rather than move it all out. We're talking 50 ton rock wagons, belly dumps, cats, mobile cranes etc, etc. Here, if you find something like that on crown land, you can put in a salvage claim on it. If no legal owner makes himself known after 3 years, it belongs to you.

I think a lot of it has to do with the tax system and depreciation. Once a machine is depreciated down to the point of being worthless on paper, the owner has no reason to care much about it anymore, and in fact, should he sell it, it would actually cost him money.

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Wayne

07-24-2004 20:47:17




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 Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today whe in reply to James, 07-24-2004 20:03:18  
Why does equipment get left setting out in the open... abandoned....Very good question, and one I can't answer, I wish I could. I know a patch of woods where there are three cranes, two CAT 619 scrapers, an Adams grader, a Hough loader, a vibratory drum roller, a BE front shovel boom with the bucket, several chain drive mixer trucks, prestress concrete forms,etc etc etc. Best I can determine it's all been there for at least 30 years, or more. I tracked down the owners and asked if any of it was for sale since I knew several people who would be interested in some of the items. The reply was "Yes we know it's still sitting there and we're gonna have to do something with it one of these days..... " That's it, no desire to sell any of it, their just gonna let it sit and rust away til all of it is completely usless for anything....It's a shame but like we've talked about on here before, there's nothing you can do but suck it up and go on, and look for the next "antique" that somebody might be willing to let you save.... Good luck finding information on the old IH. Maybe you will get the chance to save another piece of history for the kids to see one of these days.

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Yardpilot

07-30-2004 15:46:39




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 Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today in reply to Wayne, 07-24-2004 20:47:17  
Abandoned equipment is fairly common around here. A lot of it is simply older than government contract rules allow, so it gets left where it sits. Some of it is equipment that was "borrowed" and run till it quit or the contract was up.



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James

07-24-2004 23:02:56




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 Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area today in reply to Wayne, 07-24-2004 20:47:17  
Thanks for your replies! If I gather the guts to make another venture out to this location then I'll take a few pictures of the vehicle. There were several large spiders and various snakes within the area... So I may be pushing my luck going so far out by myself. I'm still not sure why I'm so fascinated by a piece of rusting metal. Once again, thanks for your replys.



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brian

07-25-2004 08:04:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote area t in reply to James, 07-24-2004 23:02:56  
400' from the interstate? Better take the GPS



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Lee Bradley

07-26-2004 10:40:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remote ar in reply to brian, 07-25-2004 08:04:10  
Lot of equipment bought for the big projects (interstate, dams, etc) are run to the of their expected lifetime and/or end of the project and left in place. They are just not worth moving to the next job; these companies have to have machines that run all day every day. The price of scrap probably wouldn't have paid for the cost to move it.



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KJM

07-26-2004 19:34:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a remot in reply to Lee Bradley, 07-26-2004 10:40:01  
If it has been there 40 years and weighs 60000# to move it then, it would have had to be stripped of it`s blade, brush gard and tracks just to haul it on that new road, add a break down and there it is.I know of a large shovel that was left by a gravel co, the man that used to run it said when they were finshed stripping with it they just parked it(it is a walking shovel)the state of Missouri ownes it now with a few smaller ones around at Wyaconda State Park.

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Jon

07-26-2004 20:25:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a r in reply to KJM, 07-26-2004 19:34:53  
Are you talking about the one at the thommas hill power plant? If so my high school welding teacher was one of the last men to opperated it befor shutting down. He has a lot of stories about things that went on at that mine.



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KJM

07-27-2004 19:11:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in in reply to Jon, 07-26-2004 20:25:52  
Jon. This one is south of LaGrange Mo just north of Quincy IL. T.H. is a nice lake I used to haul nitrate fertlizer to the mine(we also added the diesel fuel to help with the bang)



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Jon

07-26-2004 20:24:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hello, I was hiking in a r in reply to KJM, 07-26-2004 19:34:53  
Are you talking about the one at the thommas hill power plant? If so my high school welding teacher was one of the last men to opperated it befor shutting down. He has a lot of stories about things that went on at that mine. The unions screwed the younger genaratinons out of a good job.



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