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Slipped a track 450C

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Robhkent

08-02-2004 13:40:47




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I was using my Dads"s old JD 450c this weekend and I sipped a track on the right hand side. Track was very loose should have been more careful... Anyway how do I get this track back on?? Is there a repair link in the track or do i just drive out one of the link pins and back up until it is on track correctly??




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SteveB

08-04-2004 04:55:44




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Robhkent, 08-02-2004 13:40:47  
You Can make a pin pusher out of some 7/8" round bar. Weld about a 12" peice to a 36" sort of in a T shape with handel bent about 15 degrees back. Don't weld T in middle, leave about 4" on one side and 8" on other. Use some railroad tie peices to get the pusher at the right height. Position pusher on master pin, Hopefully about 4 O clock on front idler. I use heat and a sledge hammer. It helps to have a buddy hold pusher with some heavy gloves. You can get one of those surplus track tools on ebay pretty cheap. They really help gettting things lined up to put the pin back in. A large C-Clamp will also pull track together that little bit you need to drive pin back through. Oil the NEW master pin to help things go easier.

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Dozerboss

08-06-2004 18:37:20




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to SteveB, 08-04-2004 04:55:44  
To get away from hammering, we used to line up the master pin with the hitch or rear mount bolt. Than use a short piece of round stock long enough to push out the pin with a porta power jack as you heat it. You line up the porta power on the hitch or mount bolt on the other side. For those who don't know, a porta power is a hydraulic jack kit with extensions that will work side ways and upside down unlike a reg jack. Its made for pushing and pulling auto frames and panels. Definately easier than hammering and no smashed thumbs. With this method one man can do the job, especially with one of those track pulling tools. Had one, but it didn't quite fit the 450 links so you had to watch it didn't jump out of the link as you went.

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Bernie in MA

08-02-2004 17:41:52




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Robhkent, 08-02-2004 13:40:47  
If the sprocket has holes in it you can run a piece of chain thru a hole and thru the links and pull it on with the tractor. Bolt the chain; you won't be able to unhook it. I've done it with my 420C.



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Dozerboss

08-02-2004 19:05:38




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Bernie in MA, 08-02-2004 17:41:52  
Unfortunately the 450's don't have holes in the sprockets. I had one come off totally to the front idler when the slack adjuster blew out the grease seal. I have put the track back on without removing the master pin--only one link has a removable master pin that can be removed in the field. It's the pin with the hole or dimple in the center. I had to do it that way, i was stuck in the woods in muddy ground. It's not easy, i raised the machine in the front by pushing down with the blade. Cut down a tree to use for jack stands, than used a 20 ton jack to raise the rear in stages, inserting the cut logs as i went. Let all slack off the track adjuster and jack like hell until the track will clear the rollers if its off that much. I used a tractor and log to push in under the rollers. Then a come-along to lift and align it on the top center roller. I had a roll cage so i used that to hook my come-along on for lifting. Then the hardest part is to get the links back on the sprocket teeth. I used a trial and error combination of an automotive porta power jack, the come-along to lift the track and the tractor to push all at the same time in the right places. The porta power kit was indispensible. It as used on the backside of the track shoe on an angle the push the link enough to clear the sprocket tooth. Took 12 hour + of jacking, pushing and lifting trial and error. I will never forget it. No longer have the machine, but always the memory of losing that track and the job of getting it back on in mud by myself. But it was much cheaper than a JD service call. Quite a pile of laundry to do too!

If you are losing tension because of a bad adjuster, best to overhaul it or it will come off again.

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Robhkent

08-02-2004 20:23:47




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Dozerboss, 08-02-2004 19:05:38  
Bernie:

That is the exact reason this track came off. Mine is off the front sprocket though, it is still on the rear sprocket.



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Dozerboss

08-02-2004 22:28:23




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Robhkent, 08-02-2004 20:23:47  
Then you stopped the machine quick and will have an easier time of it. It took "the spirit that beat the japanese" to get mine on over the sprocket teeth without breaking the track. The front "sprocket" is called the idler. (the little woman called it the "big wheel") Since the adjuster is bad--To get that track back on then, I would try unbolting the adjuster from the idler flange (count and save the shims) then push it rear ward until the track can be pushed back over the idler flanges. Overhaul or replace the adjuster while you have it off. An After market replacement adjuster maybe cheaper than paying deere or a shop to overhaul it, especially if the piston is bad. You may have to push the idler forward first to get the adjuster out of the coil spring collar, then push it backward until you have enough clearance to push the track on. There should also be a cover over the spring held on the track carrier with 4 bolts. Once its off, you will see how the adjuster fits into the spring collar. If its been in there a while it maybe rusted tight and jammed with dirt. Some prying maybe needed. Then push the idler forward again once the adjuster is out and the track has been moved back in place.

You haven't mentioned under carriage wear or chain wear--you should check the flanges on the idler for wear too while your at it as well as the wear strips it rides on. A worn idler, chain, rollers, pins, and leaky adjuster are all things that can combine to throw a track. A track that is out of alignment can wear the edges of your sprocket and idler flanges. Track alignment is something i don't see discussed in this forum, but chain and sprocket wear is a popular topic.

PS, there is no removable link. Just the master pin is removable should you find you need to break the track to get it back on the idler. You will need to remove a track shoe or two at the master pin for working room. There should be shims riding in the link ends on the master pin--be sure not to lose them and note if they are both the same size(s). The other pins, bushings and links have to be removed with track press equipment. Their not serviceable in the field.

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2x4

08-02-2004 21:45:25




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Robhkent, 08-02-2004 20:23:47  
front one is easier to get back on. Most times you can get front one on by going in the reverse direction that it came off i.e. if you were going forward turning right, go in reverse to left & it will pop back on.



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Dozerboss

08-02-2004 23:26:40




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to 2x4, 08-02-2004 21:45:25  
A good tip if your chain is still on one of the two idler flanges. If it's jumped both it maybe too far off for this to work and the track will definately come off more if you go the wrong way. If this works the adjuster can be removed for repair with the track on. Once my adjuster went it wouldn't hold tension at all. I idled it in 1 all the way back to the transport with my fingers crossed. It had to be regreased to unload without throwing the track again. Go slow and give it a try. Either way, end the problem by repairing the track adjuster and look at your undercarriage wear.

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Robhkent

08-02-2004 19:03:54




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Bernie in MA, 08-02-2004 17:41:52  
I don"t believe that the rear sprocket has holes, I beleive it is solid, is therre a repair link in these tracks?

Rob



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Dozerboss

08-02-2004 19:19:02




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Robhkent, 08-02-2004 19:03:54  
Yep, the pin with the hole or dimple is the master pin and you will have to push it or hammer it out to break the track. The JD tool is a 60 ton press for pressing it out. It takes a lot of force, i was never able to hammer it out. I probably did it wrong, but i always heated mine until it was red and pushed it out with a jack--and same method for replacing it.



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alvinnms

08-05-2004 17:31:03




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to Dozerboss, 08-02-2004 19:19:02  
A 20lb sledge will drive one out without heat. I have done it several times. alv



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Dozerboss

08-05-2004 21:04:31




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 Re: Slipped a track 450C in reply to alvinnms, 08-05-2004 17:31:03  
Good man. I wore out a 17 year old and myself using the tool made from 1" stock per the jd shop manual. Not sure what weight hammer. These were almost new chains/pins with less than 100 hrs so we figured that had something to do with it. Found the heat to be much easier, through there maybe hardness issues we don't know about, it worked.



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