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Who makes the best small crawlers?

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Land

08-19-2004 14:22:29




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Who makes the best small crawlers? Opinions?




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Roy

08-21-2004 22:31:50




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-19-2004 14:22:29  
Ya' know what ?? They're all good til you buy a used piece with hidden problems.. All have problems, All cost bucks to fix..There is no perfect crawler thats " used ". I'm partial to Deere but , there are a bunch of good crawlers out there . Lotsa luck...



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Mark/

08-20-2004 23:06:18




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-19-2004 14:22:29  
Land,

John made some very good points. This question has been asked many times, do a search and you might find a ton of more info. What kind of work are you looking to do? Looking for a dozer or loader?

A consideration for me would be how am I going to transport the tractor. I have mentioned this several times here. I have 2 Deere 350C's and can tow them anywhere in the mountains with my 1-ton dumptruck and bumper mount trailer. The Deere 450 is a little to heavy to tow in my area, flat roads it's ok. So, I guess my point is consider transportation.

I have been very happy with Deere 350 and 450. They have their place, sometimes they see 10 hours a day, sometimes they go months without being moved. I would look at the C (1972ish) or D model as anything older has dry clutches. If I needed another dozer and didn't want to go new, I would go with another older (80's 350 or 450) dozer. I guess I can't answer your question as to whats the best, all I can give is my opinion on the Deere 350 and 450's. Good luck.

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Robert in W. Mi.

08-20-2004 18:04:15




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-19-2004 14:22:29  
In an older machine, i chose a Case 450. The older deere's have dry clutchs and frame cracking problems. The dry clutches have to be used "often", as if you let the dozer set for long, many times the clutches will freeze up and need replacement. You won't have this problem with an older Case crawler.

Robert



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dust

08-31-2004 19:51:55




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 08-20-2004 18:04:15  
allis chalmers!!!!! !!!
oliver!!!!! !!!!! !!
any thing but,a deere!



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John Van Valkenburgh

08-20-2004 16:01:34




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-19-2004 14:22:29  
Land,

"Best" is sort of a broad term when it comes to equipment. What's best for me isn't necessarly best for the grading equipment professional next door. Some things to consider...

1. Best costs more. Do you really need that extra quality, or would 2nd or 3rd place do the job?
2. Do you want to know who currently makes the best small crawler, or who traditionally made the best small crawler.
3. How small is big enough? Would a little Terratrac do the job or do you need a JD or Case 450?
4. Are you going to be doing your own maintainence? The support network in this case makes a difference.

Having said that, I think the majority of the folks I've talked to would say that CAT is the best quality machine. For my purposes (clearing 5-6 acres of fairly small trees) the Case 450 was the best overall fit. It was not overpriced. Parts availability is still good (lots made). It's small enough to get into tight spots, but big enough to do the job. The smaller engine does not use as much fuel.

I think for my purposes the John Deere 450 series would be my next choice.

Really it all depends on your needs.

Best of luck,
John
1968 Case 450

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Windancer

08-20-2004 02:15:09




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-19-2004 14:22:29  
Case!



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Leland

08-19-2004 23:32:28




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-19-2004 14:22:29  
See a lot of 933 n 955 cats in my area and some 350-450 JDs all good machines



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Land

08-22-2004 19:46:06




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Leland, 08-19-2004 23:32:28  
Thanks, for all the opinions. I guess price, condition and what's available are the main factors. Would like something about the jd 450 size, but it seems you would need a CDL to move it. Trailer 5500lbs, crawler 14-15000lbs that only leaves about 6000lbs before your over the limit? Am i correct?



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Joseph Turrisi

08-23-2004 17:51:47




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-22-2004 19:46:06  
There are two types of drivers license's the first type is the clasified A,B,C and the second is CDL A,B,C. Most everyone has the clasified type with class C being the most common. You only need a CDL if your are for hire. If you move the equipment for your personal use and ARE NOT FOR HIRE you could get buy with the clasified type license class A or B depending on the weight of your equipment. Again the key to not needing a CDL is to NOT BE FOR HIRE.

For instance lets say you have a tandum axle dump truck taged for 30,000 pounds. You can drive this truck on the road with a clasified type class B license for your personal use. If however you haul a load of gravel for your neighbor you are now for hire a would need a class B CDL.

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Dale(MO)

08-23-2004 19:30:59




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Joseph Turrisi, 08-23-2004 17:51:47  
I'm not sure what state you're from, but in Missouri an regular operator's license is a class F; to drive a company vehicle (even if you are the owner), you need a class E. If you want to pull a trailer with a gross load of 10,000# or more, but a combined (truck and trailer) weight of less than 26,000#, you need a class C. For a straight truck (no trailer) over 26,000#, you need a class B. For a combination vehicle over 26,000#, with a gross trailer load of 10,000# or more, you must have a class A. In MO, only A,B, and C are CDL; no one else can legally drive a commercial vehicle. I thought that all states adopted this policy (I know they all adopted the CDL rules), but I don't know for certain. I am not one to want to pull a lot of weight behind a 3/4 ton or one ton truck - they might pull fine, but stopping can really get you in trouble. My 2 cents. Thanks!

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Leland

08-23-2004 03:04:34




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 Re: Who makes the best small crawlers? in reply to Land, 08-22-2004 19:46:06  
Don"t quote me but I have seen a lot of trucks with
26000# plates moving small trackhoes. But in ILyou put
a wieght plate on truck and a wieght on trailer so if you put a 25000# on truck then a 20000# on trailer . makes no sence but thats how its done here right or wrong I don"t know.



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