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Turning pins and bushings

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CPeter

08-24-2004 17:58:48




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I have a real nice John Deere 40C that is at the point where if I am going to turn the pins and bushings, it should be done now or never. Is it a good idea to do this? What is a reasonable cost? Will I have loose pins and busings afterwards? On my old 40C that I have had for 35 years, the tracks were beyond savings and I just kept running them. This machine is much better that that and I would do it if it is a good thing to do.

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Lavoy

08-25-2004 08:01:28




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to CPeter, 08-24-2004 17:58:48  
To me, on these old crawlers unless the pins and bushings are unavailable, or unbearably costly, turing is a waste of time and money. I doubt I have ever had a set of rails come in that has not been run way past the point at which they should have been turned. Believe it or not, the pina and bushing do wear on the backside as well. I could show you pins that are worn down in on the backside.
Turning does nothing to remove snake, and if you have a crawler prone to derailing, it will not help at all.
Deere is our only source for the BO/MC/40 pins and bushings, and right now are quite reasonably priced, buy them while we can still get them. A few years ago, 420 pins and bushing basically tripled in price from Deere over a 1 year period give or take. If the same happens to 40 pins, its going to get real spendy.
Rough guess on price would be for a 5 roller would be $750 parts and labor, assuming not a lot of link repair. I usually keep a set or two of 40 pins and bushings on hand.
Lavoy

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Karen

08-25-2004 04:23:39




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to CPeter, 08-24-2004 17:58:48  
I believe in turning pins and bushings. The trouble is most people wait too long to do it. On a small machine like yours, we get $175 per side to turn them with no bolt time as I have a straight through pusher for them. On machines that are common and used commercially there may be no point to it as the undercarriages are readily available and price reasonable. Many of our customers have lube tracks and we will turn them once. They seem to get another year or two out of them that they wouldn't have gotten if they weren't turned. We also sell lots of used tracks and turn the pins and bushings on every set we sell. Most of the customers are only putting 50-100 hrs a year on them and have limited funds to put into crawlers. This will get them years more service. Anybody needing track press information, email me.

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Roy

08-24-2004 20:48:52




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to CPeter, 08-24-2004 17:58:48  
Turning pins and bushings will return your worn tracks to original pitch,But the tracks still will have excessive play internally.. Thus making for " snakey " tracks causing easy derailments..I personally try to talk customers into replacing pins and bushings for this reason. Labor costs the same only price difference is price of kits..The pins and bushings should not come loose but replacement bushings are a bit oversized for this reason

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CPeter

08-25-2004 05:18:55




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to Roy, 08-24-2004 20:48:52  
What is a fair price to replace the pins and bushings with new ones?



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Karen

08-25-2004 05:52:11




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to CPeter, 08-25-2004 05:18:55  
Without checking current price of parts, I'd say parts and labor $400-450 per side.



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Dozerboss

08-25-2004 06:53:20




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to Karen, 08-25-2004 05:52:11  
I wish there were independant shops near me like yours. JD talked me into new rails when i was a first time owner and hadn't learned to gauge wear. I wasn't happy to find made in Italy chains on my machine sold to me at JD price. They don't stock all JD parts at a JD dealership. No pin and bushing service available--they don't have the press equipment. They will get you genuine JD parts if you pay the truck freight i was to learn. My choice is them 50 miles or another dealer 65 miles away who barely stocks anything-again freight. I learned to be a self taught dozer mechanic to remain in business. We're lucky to have this forum and it's contributors, really benefits farmers and those who's machines aren't out there making $50 to $125 an hour every day. A shop manual for your machine and studying it is a wise investment Cpeter. It will help you make sound repair decisions.

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CPeter

08-25-2004 08:26:14




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 Re: Turning pins and bushings in reply to Dozerboss, 08-25-2004 06:53:20  
I have had JD 40 and 420 crawlers for 35 years and have all the books, parts, service and operators manuals for 40 and 420, but, this is my first experience with a machine that was in half way good condition and I want to save it. My other machines have all been beat before I got them and so I ran chassis grease in the rolls and idlers and just ran the chains to their death.

Thanks for all the good input. I"ll check the prices on the pins and bushings at Deere.

CPeter

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