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Matt Clark

08-27-2004 09:32:31




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Last fall, a nice gentleman built me a pond. He's in his mid 60's, only 1 arm (lost in a corn picker clear to the shoulder in the 70's) and about 5 years to retirement. He's not anxious to put lots of cash into his equipment, so, he had a few (lots, actually) problems getting machines on-site and running. Once he did finally get going, all was smooth.

I watched for days (I was fascinated, and he knew it) with the whole operation. As kind of a payback for the delays, and just because he knew how excited I was, he offered to let me "play around" on his D7. In the end, I was a little intimidated once in the seat (actually scared as a little girl) by his "baby", and so I let a friend of mine who's run heavy equipment for years actually push some dirt around and build a mud hole below the dam for crawdads, ducks and such.

Long way about it, but, I'm really curious as to what all the levers actually do, because I spent a total of maybe 3 mins driving at which time, I decided to hand over the reigns. This old girl was something on the order of an early 60's model, diesel, pony motor start, with both pedals and levers. Looking back, I'm almost embarrassed to admit how intimidated I was, as I've driven many tractors and trucks over the years. As Bob put it, where I was, in the middle of my own 50 acres, on flat ground near a lil bitty stream, the most I'd have done was make a mess, and have to have him "dress it up".

Anyway, anyone bored (and knowledgable) enough to give this chicken a rundown on how that machine operated? He also had his D8, which also had levers, but he'd modified it so that all operations could be done with feet only...since he had only one arm, but stands about 6 foot 6.

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Morris R.

08-30-2004 22:19:54




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 Re: All those levers in reply to Matt Clark, 08-27-2004 09:32:31  
all the old model dozers had levers for each function, clutch, gear shift, left and right stearing clutch and brake, throtle, hydrolic or winch controls. these dozers are slow and very tiring to operate. i have a 550 g lgp john deere that is 5 years old it is the same size as a d5 cat, it has 3 levers, throtle, power shift, and a joystick blade control (6 way blade) it also has 3 pedals, left and right stearing and brakes, and a throtle pedals. this machine is a dream to operate. i worked on a job with a contractor that had a older d5 cat and i moved twice the material that he moved in the same time. i let him try my dozer out for about a hour and he loved how easy it was to operate and how fast it worked, he has traded his d5 cat for a new john deere. (new technology is great)

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GLewis

08-30-2004 04:20:22




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 Re: All those levers in reply to Matt Clark, 08-27-2004 09:32:31  
Hey Deas, didn't you miss one or may be I am getting senile but shouldn't there should be a decelerator under your left foot on that machine?



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RJ-AZ

08-30-2004 21:08:28




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 Re: All those levers in reply to GLewis, 08-30-2004 04:20:22  
Nope no decellerator pedal on the old stright gear drive Cats.I never saw a pony motor started Cat with a decellerator pedal.Master clutch, forward reverser (Johnson Bar) left and right clutches and left and right brake pedals. Throttle in the front center. Two cable controls over the right shoulder to run the blade or Can.



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Deas Plant.

08-31-2004 12:07:58




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 Re: All those levers in reply to RJ-AZ, 08-30-2004 21:08:28  
Hi, JR-AZ. I saw and worked quite a few pilot motor start Cat machines with decelerator pedals but they were all power-shifts. I have never seen a direct drive Cat and only one direct drive Allis Chalmers with a decelerator pedal. Many of the early Cat power-shift machines were still pilot motor start, even into the E series D7's, the H series D8's and the G series D9's.

Hope this helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Deas Plant

08-30-2004 06:52:17




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 Re: All those levers in reply to GLewis, 08-30-2004 04:20:22  
Hi, GLewis. Yes, there ought to a decelerator in there somewhere, and thank you for reminding me. I did that post up once the day before. When I went to post it to the board, it went 'pooof' and no more post. Dunno what happened but to it that one had the decelerator in it.

HOWEVER, if it's under yer left foot, they musta built 'em differently for your part of the world than they did for mine - DownUnder - 'cos all the ones I've seen around here were under the operator's right foot.

Y'awl hava wunnerful dae. Bes' wishuz. Deas Plant.

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CentMO3088

08-30-2004 20:08:36




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 Re: All those levers in reply to Deas Plant, 08-30-2004 06:52:17  
No, they are the same over here as well. Spent several hours in the seat of a 7E, neighbor has 3 of them. Use to help him if he was busy and I was laid off. Decelerator is on the right side. His oldest E tractor has a foot operated tilt cylinder that works off of 2 pedals to the left side of the left brake pedal. It has a cable blade. Other two are hydraulic with wobble stick as you mentioned.

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andy R

08-29-2004 23:03:17




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 Re: All those levers in reply to Matt Clark, 08-27-2004 09:32:31  
I just bought a D7-17A this summer which might just have more levers than the guy who built your pond .... but maybe his was a 17A series too. Anyway it has a hand clutch on the left and a forward/reverser on the right in addition to the left steering clutch, the right steering clutch, the gear shift and the blade control. I must admit my first hour of operation was interesting. But after about 20 trees (some big and some brush) and a 140 foot ditch 6 feet deep things operate pretty smoothly. I continue to learn. Broke the blade cable by allowing slack in the cable when pushing a root ball and once when the blocks hit hard up front. Both were in the first hour of operation. I can replace the cable in 30 minutes now! Well ... I also learned not to push dirt in a mud hole and try to work you way through it. The dozer just sinks. Yep .... got her stuck too! A week ago Saturday. Needless to say you didn't have to step off of the tracks when getting down. Just walk off. Neighbor dug the rear out with his excavator. Wrapped a chain around the drawbar and to his bucket. He pulled on the boom and walked back while I was in reverse and she came out. He has pulled his D6 out that way and can lift the rear of that dozer up. He said the old 7 wouldn't lift ... but he was able to pull it out. His excavator probably weighed 40,000 lbs about the weight of the 7. I am impressed with the old Cat D7. Certainly not as quick and as easy as a newer model. But for soil conservation work on an eighty acre farm I don't think I could have bought anything better. Powershift would have been another $10,000 more for a similar machine. The cable lift seems to really be "just fine". Overall I am real happy with the D7-17A even if it does have six levers and two pedals not including the three levers for starting. One handed would be a challenge for the older man that helped you with your project. Thanks for sharing.

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Matt Clark

08-30-2004 05:28:08




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 Re: All those levers in reply to andy R, 08-29-2004 23:03:17  
Thanks for a review fellas. Now that you all describe what they do, it's coming back. Steering clutches, brakes, throttle...it seemed pretty intimidating at the time, mostly (probably) because it wasn't mine, and I was afeared of breaking something.

The other thing that was a bit bothersome, the tracks were about shot, and he tolds us "...if it starts to 'clankin', straigthen her out, cause otherwise, she might throw a track..." Now, if that wasn't just something else for me to worry about! We ran her around for a total of about 1 hour. In the end, he wouldn't take nothing for it, even though we probably wasted more fuel than anything, and he laughed, and said he coulda probably done what we did in about 3.5 minutes. It was a hoot! One of these days, I'll just have to buy one of them old girls, and play on my own time...

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Deas Plant

08-28-2004 23:53:30




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 Re: All those levers in reply to Matt Clark, 08-27-2004 09:32:31  
Hi, Matt. All those levers, huh? I was running a Cat 130G grader on a job about 8 years ago. This machine had 9 levers arranged across in front of the steering wheel, 4 on the left and 5 on the right, set up so that an experienced operator can play them almost like a piano. As well, there was the transmission control lever with its safety lock and the side-shift lock switch down beside the seat and the control column lock lever in front of the steering wheel.

I was slaving my little heart out one day on this grader when one of the labourers stopped me and climbed up on the platform with me. He said, "I just want to see what you have to do to make this thing work."

I carried on working with him standing on the footplate and after about 3 passes he indicated that he wanted to get off again. I stopped and he said, "Nah, too many levers for me," and went to get off. I stopped him and asked, "Tell me, you play a guitar, don't you?" He said, "Yeah, what's that got to do with anything?" I asked, "How many frets on your guitar keyboard?" "Damned if I know," he replied. (I didn't know either then but Ah studied some about it and I believe there is either 18 er 24, dependin' on ther geetarr.) I said, "Well, let me assure you that there are more frets on your guitar than there are levers here."

Early 60's Cat D7 - probably 'E' series - probably power-shift - so, I'll assume. Starting from the left, in front of the left arm rest (if it's still there) you have the power-shift control lever and its associated safety lever. The power-shift control is in a U-shaped slot with neutral right acroos the front, 3 speeds forward down the near side and 3 speeds reverse down the far side. The safety lever is either in a slot running between the legs of the U or in a slot down the front of the power-shift control housing. The safety lever locks the control lever in neutral.

In front of you on the console protruding from the dash, are the steering clutch controls which slide out of the console when operated, left for the left track and right for the --- heck, you can figure it out.

Under the steering clutch controls, rising from the floor, are the steering brakes which work in conjunction with the steering clutches, slowing or stopping a track to make turns sharper when the clutch is disengaged.

On the right side of the same console that the steering clutch controls are situated in, is the throttle lever. Right forward is the engine shut-off position. Pull it back until it clicks for start/idle and right back to wake up all the horses. AND the neighbours.

To the right of the seat, rising up from the floor plate, is the blade control lever. Forward-back movement lowers or raises the blade and sideways movement operates the blade tilt cylinder - if fitted.

If the machine is equipped with a ripper, the control for that will be another lever rising from the floor plate further to the right and behind the blade control lever. To you raises and away from you lowers the ripper.

There is also a small lever at the right front of the seat to lock the steering brakes when parking or floating the machine. Depress one or both pedals and push this lever forward/down to lock. Depress any locked pedals and raise the lever to unlock.

Under the dash, on the firewall, there is a decompression lever with 2 positions, 'Start' and 'Run'. To start, move this lever to 'Start', turn on the pilot motor ignition switch on the dash panel to the right of the throttle lever, and press the pilot motor starter button under the starter pinion control to the left of the steering clutch control console. (It sometimes to helps to ensure that the battery isolation swith is turned on.)

When/if the pilot motor starts, let it run for a short while to warm up and circulate the oil. Then push the starter pinion control in firmly for a couple seconds to stop the pinion fron turning and pull it firmly out until it clicks into position. At this stage, the diesel engine should be turning over. Allow the diesel engine to turn over for a while to warm up the intake air and circulate the engine oil. When you think the diesel engine is ready to start, move the decompression lever from 'Start' to 'Run' and open the diesel throttle. You should be greeted with some smoke from the diesel exhaust and a low, machine-shaking rumbling sound from somewhere in front of you. The smoke should quickly clear, leaving you with one of the sweetest rumblings from a diesel engine that God ever let anybody listen to. (Try to remember in all your excitement to turn off the pilot motor.)

Hope this helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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catmandoo

08-27-2004 20:57:06




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 Re: All those levers in reply to Matt Clark, 08-27-2004 09:32:31  
well i don"t have a d7 but i do have a d2 ,mine has 3 levers the one on the left is the clutch,the two in the middle release the right or left clutch,for turning.actually they just release the coresponding clutch,say if your going straight and pull one or the other lever back you will still go straight,but if say your pushing dirt and pull one back you will gradually turn to that side,and if at the same time you stomp on that side brake pedal she will turn pronto,also the throttle lever is in there somewhere too and some of them had a lever in the back i believe for the pto my pto lever is right next to my right ankle as i set in the seat

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