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TD 24 advice

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Russ Ruppel

09-23-2004 19:49:09




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I just bought a TD24 that (was) straight clutch type that seems to have a good chassis and undercarriage, etc, but was in the middle of an engine swap. It came with a Cummins 290 engine that isn't yet connected and a foreign aluminum radiator of some kind. I haven't started work on it yet since some of the parts like flywheel and bellhousing are still not delivered. I guess I'm just looking for moral support more than anything. I'm not a diesel person and seeing the turbo on the Cummins gives me the technology creeps even though I'm an engineer. I would appreciate knowing of any engine swap pitfalls and whether I can still run the engine without the turbo since it doesn't need that much powder and save myself some expense and headaches.

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Bill

10-03-2004 05:56:41




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 Re: TD 24 advice in reply to Russ Ruppel, 09-23-2004 19:49:09  
One definite pitfall of a repower on the TD-24 is that the bellhousing on the original UD-24 engine is integral to the engine block casting. It also mounts your fenders and dashboard. How about provisions for your hydraulic pump on the Cummins? The Cummins most likely has a standard bellhousing mount for a truck frame, I"m assuming. The radiator you mention sounds fishy as well, depending upon the inlet and outlet positions. How does this other radiator mount inisde the nose of the dozer? The original one used 4 bolts from the outside of the nose, and the core was removeable from the tanks.

Let me know if you need some parts - I"ve got a nearly complete TD-24 241 Series machine that I"m parting out.

Good luck,
Bill

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Mike Zielinski

11-14-2004 18:00:36




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 Re: TD 24 advice in reply to Bill, 10-03-2004 05:56:41  
I have a TD-24 cable Dozer,looking for some intake valves. A Kansas City Machine shop is grinding my valves but three of them are too pitted to re-grind.Can you help?



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Russ Ruppel

10-15-2004 19:53:16




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 Re: TD 24 advice in reply to Bill, 10-03-2004 05:56:41  
Bill, it would be nice if I could get your address just in case I need parts when or IF I get it running. I can't access you at the moment.



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Deas Plant.

09-27-2004 06:41:54




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 Re: TD 24 advice in reply to Russ Ruppel, 09-23-2004 19:49:09  
Hi, Russ. If you REALLY want to save yourself some expense and headaches, write off what you paid for that TD24, push the mongrel thing into a deep hole and bury it. International never made a good crawler bigger than a TD9 and the bigger they got, the worse they got.

All the TD24's I ever saw were direct drive.

If you want to run the Cummins without the turbo, you will need to change the injectors and pump to a non-turbo-ed configuration. This would probably be a smart move as the TD24 originally came out with a 140 hp International diesel engine and still managed to tear up final drives and transmissions at an alarming rate. So much so that it only lasted in production for about 8 years. God knows what a fully rated 290 would do to it.

One little deatil that you may have to be careful about. I seem to remember that the TD24's came out with an automatically applied parking brake. I think this came on when the machine was de-clutched, remained on if the clutch was engaged without a gear being selected, but was automatically dis-engaged if the clutch was engaged with a gear selected. I don't know how it was actuated but if it is as I seem to remember, you will probably need to pay some attention to it when connecting the Cummins engine.

IF you just want it to poke about a small property or to take to shows and try to brag about it, you may get away with it. If you want the thing to do any serious work, be prepared to put your hand in your pocket pretty regularly and pretty deeply.

Best of luck.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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