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Komatsu PC150 update

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NC Wayne

09-23-2004 21:59:00




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For any of you that might have read my post the other day concerning the hydraulic problem with the PC 150....The Problem Disappeared. I'll be totally honest, I still don't have a clue what the problem was or what the "fix" was.... I HATE IT WHEN THIS HAPPENS.... I know all the things I checked and rechecked and all the things, that never seemed to make any difference, that I did trying to pinpoint the problem but that's as far as it goes. Every time I checked anything, or did anything, to any part, I always checked the machine to see if the problem was still there, and it always was. Nothing I did seemed to have any effect on it. When I left it Tuesday afternoon it was still not working right. After spending Wednesday running parts I jumped back on it this morning with the intention of starting at square one for the umpteenth time and seeing where it would lead me this time. I hooked up my guages and flow meter again, and started the machine and let it warm up. When I finally hit the control lever I got the suprise of my life.....IT WORKED.....I had all the boom down pressure I could ask for and the bucket/drill boom curl worked like it should, everything was just like it should be. Even the travel alarm started working and it hasn't worked in the 4 years the man has had the machine. Like I told the guy, this is both good news and bad news all rolled into one. The good news is the problem apears to be "fixed", the bad is not knowing what it was I can't guarantee that anything is really "fixed" and won't jump up and bite us again the first time he uses the machine. So, unless it does something else strange tomorrow or over the weekend, it's finally going home first of the week. Everybody cross your fingers for me and pray the gremlins don't come back to play tricks on me again after he picks it up. For those of you that answered the other posts with your suggestions, Thanks again. It's always nice to have somewhere like this you can come and toss around a problem and get the benifits of at least some of the years of experience out there. How about ya'll what's your worst "it fixed itself" story you've got and did it stay "fixed"???? Wayne

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John C.

09-23-2004 22:30:29




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 Re: Komatsu PC150 update in reply to NC Wayne, 09-23-2004 21:59:00  
Wayne,
I'm with you about being leary about the fix. I really think there was something stuck in the check valve in the right side control valve just in front of the right side travel spool.

I do have an on going problem with a 120-6 that has stayed with me for over two years. My client bought the grey market machine two years ago and when it worked in warm weather it would would not restart when hot. If it cooled down for about a half an hour it would start again. I checked the pressures and found LS pressure getting to the pump even with nothing working. The pump was holding 2600 PSI of pressure when the starter was trying to turn over the engine.

About five months ago I got a helping hand from the dealer when they told me Komatsu had an update to a spool in the swing circuit. I installed the updated spool and the machine starts working right. I think I'm in fat city for a week when the client calls me a tells me the machine is back to the same. This time the dealer people tell me the auxilliary valve is the problem as there was a bad bunch from the factory. I install a new auxilliary valve section to the tune of $2,200 and everything is hunky dory again.

Two weeks later I get another call from the client who tells me again the machine is acting the same. This time he has shutdown the machine and I go back and tear the compensator valve completely out of the swing circuit and still find nothing wrong. I have put it back together, put the gauges in and stalled the machine to get it hot. Sure enough I'm getting LS pressure into the pump again. This time though it's only about 1700 PSI.

Now no one has any ideas. I'm about to tell the client that there is nothing anyone can do and if it bothers him that much to send the machine to auction or trade it off.

Any thoughts or directions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

John C.

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NC Wayne

09-24-2004 21:04:05




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 Re: Komatsu PC150 update in reply to John C., 09-23-2004 22:30:29  
Hey John, sounds like your going through the same mess I have been...sucks don't it???? You have to really love this business sometimes to stay with it.... Now as far as the -6 problem, I don't know much about any of the Komatsu machines other than this -5 so I'm not 100% on this, but it may be something to think on. Since you've pretty well eliminated the mechanical side of the equasion by changing the spools, etc how about the electrical side. I do know enough to know that the -6 is setup different than the 5 with the compensator valves, etc but I don't know how the electrical side of the controls works out in comparison. Just about every circuit on every Komatsu has a diode in it. Now if the diode going to one of the solenoids on the control circuit was bad it could very well be bypassing enough current when it gets hot to energize the coil and activate or deactivate whatever control spool it's attached to. When it cools down the diode goes back to normal operation and all is well until it gets hot again.....Does this make sense for the way the -6 is set up? I'll print out your post and see if I have anything on the -6 at the shop that might shed some light on the problem. On the -5 I've got I did take a check valve out from between the straight travel valve and the boom control spool and look at it since it was chattering for some reason when you hit the control lever. I didn't see anything wrong with it or any type of trash in it, I simply took it apart and checked the seat and put it back together. What I don't understand is that the way the system is setup that check valve checks the flow going from say left to right, but at the other end of the line, up in the valve body is a poppet style valve that according to everything I saw checks from right to left. Basically the way they are designed they check aganst each other so any thing that happened to get past one couldn't reasomably be expected to get past the other, and all this in a line that's not but about 10 inches long. Doesn't make sense to me, but when I fired it up Thursday moring the valve wasn't chattering anymore..... If you want email me sometime at: Nota55Nomad@AOL.com. It'd be nice to have somebody else that's working on some of this newer "junk" to bounce ideas and problems off of sometime without using up so much space here on the board. Like the old saying goes two head are always better than one, and nowdays the more heads you can get onto a problem the better off you are.

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