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Case 580 B sitting in a field?

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MichaelABG

10-06-2004 20:19:42




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I know very little about a backhoe but found a Case 580 B that been sitting for at least 2 years. The owner lives aways away but said I could go check it out. What should I look for? Also the steering wheel just turns in circles does the engine need to run for steering?




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Lynn Kasdorf

10-11-2004 08:15:57




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 Re: Case 580 B sitting in a field? in reply to MichaelABG, 10-06-2004 20:19:42  
I have two 580 B's. I'll have to check whether you can spin the steering wheel with the engine off. There is certainly power steering that requires the engine, but I don't know if it should spin.

When these machines are fixed up, they are fine, but perhaps not as lightweight, strong, nimble and acrobatic as newer backhoes. However, having a backhoe is an incredible luxury for a "stuff" collector like me! I recently moved my entire farm, and could not have done it without a backhoe at each end! Now that I am moved, I'm selling one.

I'll add to the list of things to do before starting- find the petcock for the fuel tank and open it up to drain a bit of fuel, and catch it. see if there is any water. Probably best to drain it and put in fresh. The diesel filters may need changing as well- this is simple.

Ask they guy why it was abandoned.

These take a very high CCA battery to turn over, and they are hard to crank from jumper cables. You need really heavy duty ones.

Some known issues with this model include a tendency for them to not move- my older one usually is hard to get rolling at first, especially as the weather gets colder. I often have to warm it up well, roll back and forth tiny amounts until it gets enough trans pressure to actually move.

The brakes tend to me marginal also.

Regarding hoses, I just replace them as they fail. Usually about $35 each, or less. More of a hassle and inconvenience than a huge expense. I have a great shop that makes them up on the spot- I take the old hose in and they duplicate.

These machines require a 3 axle trailer and a dumptruck to haul, or a semi and a lowboy. I was told that the heavier of mine (4 in 1 and extendahoe) is about 9 tons.

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Polk Crawler

10-08-2004 08:11:49




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 Re: Case 580 B sitting in a field? in reply to MichaelABG, 10-06-2004 20:19:42  
Michael: I admit I don't know diddley squat about backhoes but David's observations and advice are on target.
Seems to me any kind of implement that is found standing abandoned in a field is there for one of two reasons: A. it is so broken down the owner isn't willing to spend the $ to put it in working condition, or. B. the owner has more money and than good sense, has walked off and left a good machine out in the open when it should have been put under cover, maintained and kept ready for service. In either case, you take your chances in buying such a unit. Be prepared to sink a lot of $into what often can become a money pit!
Based on my limited experience putting two 1950s Cletrac units in working order, I can testify to two things:1.once you get the old iron fever there is no cure but to spend the $; 2.enjoy the labor of restoration, repair or whatever, and hope your wife is a patient and understanding soul!
Knowing all this and considering what David is trying to get through to you, have at it and good luck! PC

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J fox

10-06-2004 20:54:25




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 Re: Case 580 B sitting in a field? in reply to MichaelABG, 10-06-2004 20:19:42  
The engine does need to be running for the steering to work. We have a 1972 Case 580B on the family farm. We bought it about 15 years ago and have had good use and little trouble from it.



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David Clarke Robinson

10-06-2004 20:44:43




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 Re: Case 580 B sitting in a field? in reply to MichaelABG, 10-06-2004 20:19:42  
Well, I myself wouldn"t buy it unless I at least heard the motor turn over. And if you should be lucky enough that it will crank up (make sure if you try to crank it you at least put two or three gallons of deisel in the tank, check the oil and fill if needed and put in a bit of antifreeze/or water) check to see how much play there is in your bucket, the boom arm and where it pivots on the back of the backhoe. If there"s much play or noise as in metal to metal grinding sounds, then you can spend money in a hurry replacing worn pins and bushings. You can put $1000 worth into a shoe box in no time! Next, take a good look at all the hydrolic hoses on the machine. If the metal"s showing thru them or they are cracked and dry rotted, they"ll probably need replacing soon and again, you can spend money in a hurry replacing hoses, especially the big ones. If you get the machine cranked, try digging a small hole and have someone look under the machine for leaks. A small drop every few seconds/minutes you can live with, but if it"s dripping kinda fast, you"ll need to get it stopped or spend lots" of money on hydrolic fluid and have the wife mad when you are digging in the yard and the hydrolic fluid kills all your grass where it lands...Believe me, I know about that one!!! Well, I"m definately no expert on backhoes or any heavy duty equipment, but I"ve had one for about 6 years now, and I"ve learned a good bit! BTW...if you are planning on putting any septic systems in with it, you"d be a LOT better off if the bucket on it is 36" wide so you only have to make one pass with your digging the trenches. The one I have had a 24" bucket to start and I had a time digging decent ditches with it. Cost me about $3000 to get another one and have it installed! And whatever you do, if you buy it, make the first thing you do give it a good greasing and keep a close check on your fluid levels meaning oil, water, and hydrolic! It"ll save you a LOT of money, time, and headaches if you do!

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