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haybud

11-14-2004 17:20:19




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i am thinking of buying a komatsu 1995 d20p-7,any one with some input about this machine




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Seann

11-15-2004 10:12:02




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to haybud, 11-14-2004 17:20:19  
I don't own a Komatsu, but by all accounts Komatsu makes a fantastic crawler, second to none in quality and durability. They are globally considered to be the equal of Caterpillar, or even better in some cases. The Japanese make their crawlers like they make their cars: tough, reliable and well featured. There are some Aussies here that run Komatsu's (they call 'em Kommagutsu's) exclusively and they love them. Maybe they can pipe up and give you some advice.

The only thing I would be a bit wary of is a "gray market" machine. To my understanding gray machines are Japanese machines of various makes (i.e. Mitsubishi, Komatsu, Hitachi etc) that are designed, built and originally sold in Japan - but some find their way to the US for sale as low priced used surplus units. These machines are usually priced very competitively and in many cases are in great condition. The only downside is that parts availability for them within the US is poor or even non existent because the machines were either not sold in the US at all, or they substantially differ from the related equivalent model sold here. So I would investigate that aspect closely before closing the sale.

But if it's a domestic machine, is in good shape and the price is right, I wouldn't hesitate to snap it up.

Good luck

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haybud

11-15-2004 18:41:07




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to Seann, 11-15-2004 10:12:02  
the salesman told me that the komatsu d20p-7 will push trees down that up to 12" in dia. think that you can do this with a 9000 pound machine?



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Seann

11-15-2004 19:23:38




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to haybud, 11-15-2004 18:41:07  
I would think it could push over 12" trees, although you are probably going to struggle some. I would think that's sort of "pushing it" for a machine of that size. Although I know a guy that used to be a farmer and he had a small dozer that he said he could remove tough stumps with it, even big ones. He would just dig around them as much as necessary before popping them out. So I would assume you could handle trees in the same way by digging around the base before pushing it over.

I have a loader thats 21k lbs 80 hp and it pushes trees over nicely, but its a loader. It really helps to raise the bucket up and to push on the tree from the top. But I've also found that prying under the base/roots really gets the tree leaning too. If I had a smaller dozer and I had some fairly large trees to deal with, I'd think about getting a welded steel triangular raised arm thing to push the tree over with (I don't know what they call them, but they were fairly common on old dozers). Also you can use a cable or winch to pull the tree over, but you have to be careful and ensure you have long enough cable and also a good safety cage on your machine. There are also somewhat "outdated" not commonly used methods of using block and tackle rigging systems in order to multiply your pulling force that might be helpful in getting a bigger pull out of your machine.

Lastly, it also depends on what type of trees you're talking about and what kind of soil you'll be in. It's real easy for me to push over a 12" pine tree, but it requires quite a bit more effort for an oak of the same size. Softer and/or sandier soils also make it easier to push trees over, although those soils also make traction more of an issue as well.

Anyway, if you have a lot of trees of that size to deal with I would consider getting a bigger machine, and maybe a loader instead if a dozer. Those D31 Komatsu loaders with 4-1 bucket are really nice.

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Deas Plant.

11-16-2004 11:35:09




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to Seann, 11-15-2004 19:23:38  
Hi, Haybud, I'd reckon it would be straining the bounds of credibility for a 9,000# machine to just go around knocking down 12" trees. I mainly operate a Cat D5B dozer of around 28,000# and 105 hp and it won't just walk up and flatten most 12 trees. I have to rip the roots of most of them down to around 2 foot depth before they'll lay down. Sometimes, I even have to push up a ramp to get more leverage. This machine has only a straight bulldozer and rear rippers - no tree pusher bar.

Seann's right about the tree pusher bars. If you want to drop me an e-mail, I'll send you some photos of some of these attachments.

You didn't say whether this machine has an inside mounted 6-way blade or an outside mounted dozer blade. I'm guessing it would be an inside mounted set-up. They are a little more difficult to put a tree pusher on but most are not impossible.

Also as Seann said, if you have a lot of trees of this size to clear, it may be worth your looking into a track loader of around 10-12 tons with a 4-in-1 bucket and rear rippers. Such a machine will do a LOT of jobs around a property while a dozer is still sitting in the shed eating its head off - or standing out in the yard with fading paint and still eating its head off.

Hope this helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Bentwrench

11-16-2004 17:56:51




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to Deas Plant., 11-16-2004 11:35:09  
In the states as long as you can get a part number for any Komatsu machine the dealer network can get you the part. It may take awhile, especially on older machines but I have been able to obtain anything I need so far.

Good Luck!



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haybud

11-16-2004 18:29:10




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to Bentwrench, 11-16-2004 17:56:51  
thanks for all the words of wisdom,i think that i will reconsider this purchase and rent a cat d5g . thanks



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haybud

11-16-2004 18:29:02




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 Re: komatsu dozer's in reply to Bentwrench, 11-16-2004 17:56:51  
thanks for all the words of wisdom,i think that i will reconsider this purchase and rent a cat d5g . thanks



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