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Can a dragline double as a crane?

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MichaelNEIowa

11-27-2004 17:35:32




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Just curious, can a tracked dragline (such as a Bucyrus-Erie 22b) be used as a crane also?

Are cranes different somehow from a dragline?

Was wondering how many different jobs these old machines can do.




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NC Wayne

11-27-2004 22:46:33




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 Re: Can a dragline double as a crane? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 11-27-2004 17:35:32  
Hye Michael, Dad and I specialize in working on the old friction cranes like your 22B. In answer to your question yes a dragline can be used for lifting. Two things that make a difference on how much you can pick are your undercarriage and counterweight. You can have either a 26" standard crawler or a 30" long crawler, then is the long crawler flat bottomed or tapered on the ends, then whether you have counterweight combination A or B. Knowing all that and boom length and angle you can look at the load chart and see what you can safely pick. For a 22B with the long /wide undercarriage, the heaviest combination (B) counterweight, a 35 foot boom at a 12 foot operating raduis (76 degree boom angle) the most you can hope to pick according to the chart is 23,700 lbs. From that you then have to deduct for the ground condition (minus 15% over the ends if using long tapered undercarriage on hard ground-vs-soft ground, etc etc etc. Too according to the manual there are some changes that should be done as far as your controls to do it in the factory approved manner, but other wise it's no big deal going from one application to the other be it as a crane,a clamshell, or a dragline. The main thing is that if it isn't an origional lifting machine and you don't have power load lowering where you can lock in the clutch operating your hoist line and control the line speed using the throttle, your stuck with controlling it manually with the drum brake going down and then trying to lift it with the clutch and then catch it going up. All this is OK if your an experienced operator, or if your not and you simply picking and setting something that doesn't have to be precisely placed. Otherwise if you don't have the experience and if there is the potential for somebody to get injured your better off to hire a boom truck for the day. The miost you can hope to pick is only a little over 10 tons and ten ton boom trucks are a dime a dozen. So the simple answer is yes you can do it, but there are safer ways if your not experienced.
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Heat Houser

11-27-2004 19:06:36




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 Re: Can a dragline double as a crane? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 11-27-2004 17:35:32  
From my Link Belt days, lift cranes had more counter weight than drag lines. This was due to the duty cycle for the lift crane application. Starting and stopping all that extra weight of the larger "lift crane" counter weight would kill the swing frictions if used in the dragline/clam shell applications. Another difference was the point sheaves in the head of the boom. Draglines usually had wider flanges on their sheaves to take the wire rope misalignment when casting your bucket. If you have a capacity chart for your rig, lift away. If you don't, get one. In answer to your question, they will work fine as a lift crane. Use a chart though.

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Roy Suomi

11-27-2004 18:06:20




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 Re: Can a dragline double as a crane? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 11-27-2004 17:35:32  
Certainly.. The only difference between the dragline and a crane is one extra winch drum to pull the scoop inward to you. It still uses a holding winch that supports the weight of scoop while turning and dumping.A good friend of mine uses an American 399 to straighten twisted dump trailer frames. Its awsome to watch him hook and unhook cables from the dump bodies without physically touching them by hand. He straightened a loader on a Ford 3400 for me. It was something to see a Ford tractor chained to the track of the crane and him lifting the entire tractor off the ground with the headache ball-hook , with the tractor hanging sideways, he gave it a "Ying" with the crane , lowered it and darned if it wasn't straight. You gotta watch an expert run one someday , Its impressive..

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MichaelNEIowa

11-27-2004 19:02:44




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 Re: Can a dragline double as a crane? in reply to Roy Suomi, 11-27-2004 18:06:20  
Always thought draglines were neat machines but have never seen one run up close.



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TimV

11-28-2004 06:45:47




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 Re: Can a dragline double as a crane? in reply to MichaelNEIowa, 11-27-2004 19:02:44  
Michael: There's a video of a big dragline running online somewhere. You might Google for "dragline video" and see what comes back. If I remember, it's the view from the cab--pretty impressive!



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